BBC- "The Great Global Warming Swindle"

[newking70]

I'm genuinely curious about this -- those of you who don't believe in global warming, what do you think of what to do with definitie fossile fuels reservoirs? Should we wait until the supply runs out? Clearly, alternative sources will not be greatly researched on if it doesn't get a good incentive -- and the global warming threat, swindle or not, seems to provide that incentive....
It's an honest question, I really am curious about this...

since there's about 700 years of oil reserves left i'am not to concerened with it.......

[Tor]

Link.......?

[newking70]

Link.......?

does it really matter? are you losing sleep over the issue?

[Tor]

Huh?! I'm really sorry if I misunderstand -- but that was a really wanting-to-be-ignorant-and-I'm-damn-proud-of-it comment! Why did you respond to my question in the first place if you don't care to elaborate or supply with a link that can justify your response? I have never heard about that 700 year thing, and I would very much like to see that.

Yes, it does matter, because I'm curious about when you think it's time to start finding new and better energy sources. Hard to understand?

I'm off to work now, so feel free to find a link meanwhile.

[newking70]

Yes, it does matter, because I'm curious about when you think it's time to start finding new and better energy sources. Hard to understand?

the time is NOW to find a replacement for petrol.........but let me ask you a question....if you invented a engine that ran on garbage....do you actually think the powers that run the oil giants would ever let you market the engine? you'd probably disappear along with your engine.....

[Top Jimmy]

"The use of 10% ethanol blends reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 12-19% compared with conventional gasoline, according to Argonne National Laboratory.

In 2005, ethanol use in the U.S. reduced C02-equivalent greenhouse gas emissions by approximately 7.8 million tons, equal to removing the annual emissions of more than 1.18 million cars from the road"

Doesn't sound too bad to me.


And it is not about simple economics. It's about things like lobbying politicians to oppose higher fuel economy standards, or buying and shelving patents for inventions that, when built, might pose a threat to the company's bottom line.

Haven't read the whole thread but...

From my understanding: for ethanol to be a main power source we would have to cultivate the whole United States to grow corn to power our vehicles. The ratio of land needed to power output isn't viable. Ethanol was basically a way to get farmers some money for unsold corn, a farming subsidy.

Scientists want to develop cellulose ethanol but it is much more difficult to extract the energy from that then corn, thus it really hasn't gone anywhere.

[Stratman]

Hey, I am doing my part to help the global warming problem.

Ever weekend, I bring a cooler full of ice and beer outside and drink the beer down, so that that ice can melt and help chill the atmosphere.

[Rich_T]

since there's about 700 years of oil reserves left i'am not to concerened with it.......

Wheter thats true or not, (which I highly doubt) how much of that is deep under some seriously politically unstable countires, and how sacrifices are we gonna have to make to get it? Without getting too political, current events being a case in point.

Oh, and sweet, a debate thats got to six pages without any mud slinging!

[newking70]

Wheter thats true or not, (which I highly doubt) how much of that is deep under some seriously politically unstable countires, and how sacrifices are we gonna have to make to get it? Without getting too political, current events being a case in point.

those places have always been unstable, irregardless of oil being there or not, but nobody has the political will to take the bull by the horns

[theboatcandream]

*yawn* I haven't read through the thread yet but I'll get around to it. I've seen the film before. It is nothing more than a collection of pseudoscientific lies nicely packaged together. The guys in it are all known scumbags who have made careers out of denying climate change. The ones who aren't scumbags have had their interviews editted to make it seem like they were saying something they weren't.

http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?opti...=137&Itemid=83

http://climatedenial.org/2007/03/09/...-four-swindle/

[theboatcandream]

Again, this is from the BBC.

The film was not made by the BBC. Check your facts.

[theboatcandream]

Maybe if we could stop volcanos from erupting we could have an impact on global warming.

Volcanos are not a significant source of greenhouse gasses.

[newking70]

Oh, and sweet, a debate thats got to six pages without any mud slinging!

twas till theboatcantroll showed up

*yawn* I haven't read through the thread yet but I'll get around to it. I've seen the film before. It is nothing more than a collection of pseudoscientific lies nicely packaged together. The guys in it are all known scumbags who have made careers out of denying climate change. The ones who aren't scumbags have had their interviews editted to make it seem like they were saying something they weren't.

[theboatcandream]

1000 years ago the CO levels in the atmoshpere used to be MUCH higher than they are now.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_...on_in_the_past

100,000,000 years ago? Yes. But not 1,000 years ago. And 100,000,000 years ago was the time of the dinosaurs when the entire planet was just one continent and the whole thing was a jungle. Not exactly a human-friendly place.

[theboatcandream]

We are not changing the atmosphere. We exhale CO2. We are a natural part of this planet. Don't you think nature can deal with us? The atmoshere is approximately 370ppm, (parts per million), CO2. The ocean is closer to 38000ppm. The ocean regulates the amount of CO2 it produces to counter what happens in the atmosphere.

If the CO2 levels in the ocean get much higher, it will become poisonous to the organisms that live there. Algea in the ocean is the only reason the planet hasn't turned into Venus. Once it all dies, we're screwed.

[theboatcandream]

the burning of ethanol also produces those greenhouse gasses, like C02

However, ethanol is far, far, far, far, far, far, far cleaner burning.

2(OH) + O2 = 2(H2O)

There's much less carbon involved and so much less carbon dioxide is burned, not to mention nitrogen and sulfur compounds.

[theboatcandream]

In the youtube, vid portion 3/8. Al Gore is shown saying that increase in atmospheric CO2 causes temperature increase. However, Professor Ian Clark, a paleoclimatologist, an expert who actually does the research and runs the experiements to crunch the numbers said that data actually shows that in the past CO2 increases are preceeded by temperature increases. Interesting. :hmmm:

Check the link I posted to.

Rising temperatures causes the release of CO2 in the atmosphere. This is true. HOWEVER, the release of CO2 into the atmosphere further increases the temperature. BOTH happen. We're releasing ADDITIONAL CO2 into the atmosphere, causing the effects to be bigger than ever before.

[theboatcandream]

since there's about 700 years of oil reserves left i'am not to concerened with it.......

25, actually. It would be 55 if demand stayed where it is now, but demand will increase as countries like China and India develop. So we only have around 25 years before oil is so expensive that it won't be worth using.

twas till theboatcantroll showed up

I haven't insulted any of the other posters here, which means you're the one dragging down the discussion. Congrats.

[Jonny R]

The documentary is funded by big business? We should look at it with caution?

On the other hand, we should blindly accept everything the way everything is portrayed in Jesus Camp

[daemon barbeque]

http://climatedenial.org/2007/03/09/...-four-swindle/

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Cheers! TheBoatCanSendCoolLinks!