Cobra get more Gas than I ever had...

[Rusty Shackelford]

I'll take the Aston Martin from Casino Royale, V9 Vantage I think

[3'scompany]

The atoms are sweet.

Although personally i'd prefer something that had a roof, and doors.

Yup, Atoms are by no means a daily driver.

For that I'd take a MB CLK63 AMG Black, if money were no issue.



It'd be a nice car for when the Porsche GT2 and Ariel Atom just weren't practical

[BigAlTheBird]

Oh BMW is my 5th. What am I thinking!?

[Jonny R]

And one for Jonny R... the Caterham;

Yep...that the the Ariel look like a whole lot of fun.

[Forbes]

I'm hoping to get insured on my dads caterham for a short period next summer, and quite possibly kill myself in it.... but what a way to go eh?

[Carl762]

There is a pic, posted long time ago. Use the search feature.

Man, that's a lot more horse-ie power than I imagined in that thing. Glad you kicked the Vette's butt.

I know of and drove in an extremely Hot Pantera that's for Sale right now. I think it's a tad bit too hot to run against a Cobra, but could be exrtremely wrong.

Have YOU driven a Ford Lately?

[MikeS]

I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this starts to get a little questionable. We’ve never been supplied a picture (or have we?), and I’d love to see a scan of an OHV 302 (even a blown 302) throwing 562 HP to the pavement. Accounting for drivetrain loss, that’s nearing 700 HP at the flywheel, and right near the threshold of what you can do with an OHV 302 on pump gas. It’s certainly an impressive build, and you were smart to spec one of the FRPP aluminum 302 blocks not only for overall weight, but more importantly weight distribution. That front end would get heavy fast with all the supercharger hardware. I wonder, whose kit did you have installed?

Now, here’s where I’m confused as to exactly what engine is in this car. In this thread, this post in particular, you mentioned that you had the M-6250-E303 camshaft, which is a camshaft for the small block OHV 302. This small block is available in aluminum, so that checks out fine. What’s confusing is that the part number you supplied for the block you have (M-6010-T50) is a modular 4.6L motor bored to 5.0L. This motor is a long-block OHC design, and shares zero parts with the small block OHV 302. It is, however, the block used in M-6007-T50EA, which is a complete modular 5.0L DOHC assembly, and nothing at all like the OHV small block 302. Care to shed a little light? The part numbers listed are pieces to two different puzzles.

[Hoss]

i also have cobra g.a.s.

[mediumpimpin]

I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this starts to get a little questionable. We’ve never been supplied a picture (or have we?), and I’d love to see a scan of an OHV 302 (even a blown 302) throwing 562 HP to the pavement. Accounting for drivetrain loss, that’s nearing 700 HP at the flywheel, and right near the threshold of what you can do with an OHV 302 on pump gas. It’s certainly an impressive build, and you were smart to spec one of the FRPP aluminum 302 blocks not only for overall weight, but more importantly weight distribution. That front end would get heavy fast with all the supercharger hardware. I wonder, whose kit did you have installed?

Now, here’s where I’m confused as to exactly what engine is in this car. In this thread, this post in particular, you mentioned that you had the M-6250-E303 camshaft, which is a camshaft for the small block OHV 302. This small block is available in aluminum, so that checks out fine. What’s confusing is that the part number you supplied for the block you have (M-6010-T50) is a modular 4.6L motor bored to 5.0L. This motor is a long-block OHC design, and shares zero parts with the small block OHV 302. It is, however, the block used in M-6007-T50EA, which is a complete modular 5.0L DOHC assembly, and nothing at all like the OHV small block 302. Care to shed a little light? The part numbers listed are pieces to two different puzzles.

I seriously doubt he's lying, what does he have to gain from lying about his car on a guitar forum? IF this was a car forum or cobra forum, I'd definitely be skeptical w/o proof, but it isn't. As far as his power figures, they're totally beleivable with a proper setup. 2 valve mustang gt's with boltons and prochargers are more than capable of putting down number similar to his, with less displacement and on pump gas. Granted, those gt's can't put those numbers down w/o a forged shortblock with any hope of reliability, but a compression drop with some forged pistons rods and crank, and it's child's play. As far as how you got 700 crank hp, 562rwhp, is more like 650 tops in a car like his. Manuals (which I assume his Cobra has) lose between 12 and 15% thru the drivetrain, autos lose upwards of 20%. Granted, I'm no expert by any means, especially with the blue ovals (I love ls1s and their bretheren) but I find it easy to believe what he has stated about his car. With 550+rwhp in a cobra, smoking vettes, vipers, ferraris and pretty much any other street car is pretty easy on a race track.

[MikeS]

I never really called anyone a liar, but fact remains that the part numbers listed don't bolt together. I'm looking for clarification, that's all.

And I might have been a little conservative in my drivetrain loss calculation. I couldn't find anything stating the transmission in use so I probably padded to much. I'll agree that this kind of power certainly is attainable, but it's not child's play, either. You aren't getting that kind of power with a few simple bolt-ons. He listed several parts that certainly are good performance parts (the E303 cam is one of if not the most popular cams for the OHV 5.0), and certainly could be part of a formula that makes that much horsepower.

So, I'm not ready to call anyone a liar, but I am skeptical because the numbers simply do not add up.

[Stratman]

I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this starts to get a little questionable. We’ve never been supplied a picture (or have we?), and I’d love to see a scan of an OHV 302 (even a blown 302) throwing 562 HP to the pavement. Accounting for drivetrain loss, that’s nearing 700 HP at the flywheel, and right near the threshold of what you can do with an OHV 302 on pump gas. It’s certainly an impressive build, and you were smart to spec one of the FRPP aluminum 302 blocks not only for overall weight, but more importantly weight distribution. That front end would get heavy fast with all the supercharger hardware. I wonder, whose kit did you have installed?

Now, here’s where I’m confused as to exactly what engine is in this car. In this thread, this post in particular, you mentioned that you had the M-6250-E303 camshaft, which is a camshaft for the small block OHV 302. This small block is available in aluminum, so that checks out fine. What’s confusing is that the part number you supplied for the block you have (M-6010-T50) is a modular 4.6L motor bored to 5.0L. This motor is a long-block OHC design, and shares zero parts with the small block OHV 302. It is, however, the block used in M-6007-T50EA, which is a complete modular 5.0L DOHC assembly, and nothing at all like the OHV small block 302. Care to shed a little light? The part numbers listed are pieces to two different puzzles.

The part number are directly from the Ford dealer's invoice. If they made a mistake, and I will find out, then either they owe me more money or I owe them (Which they will never get) more.

Regarding the brake HP, I do not have any numbers. Just those off a chassis Dyno.

The chassis is a 2007 design not a 1960's and is suppose to be tuned to be able to handle 0.97g. Although, I can not guarantee that I would like to test that out...

Finally, I have never raced any Viper, yet. And, I keep spending more and more money on this car and it's gas.

[mediumpimpin]

I never really called anyone a liar, but fact remains that the part numbers listed don't bolt together. I'm looking for clarification, that's all.

And I might have been a little conservative in my drivetrain loss calculation. I couldn't find anything stating the transmission in use so I probably padded to much. I'll agree that this kind of power certainly is attainable, but it's not child's play, either. You aren't getting that kind of power with a few simple bolt-ons. He listed several parts that certainly are good performance parts (the E303 cam is one of if not the most popular cams for the OHV 5.0), and certainly could be part of a formula that makes that much horsepower.

So, I'm not ready to call anyone a liar, but I am skeptical because the numbers simply do not add up.

I didn't say just boltons, I said boltons and a procharger (a supercharger). I don't consider a s/c a bolton although technically it could be one. I do know that those numbers have been achieved with full boltons and a blower, granted anyone doing this would most definitely have to run race gas or get a forged short block to have any form of reliability. Also, that's for 2valve 4.6 v8s. For comparison sakes, an ls1 with full boltons and a blower makes anywhere from 500rwhp-600rwhp and surprisingly enought they can last a while on stock internals if tuned correctly. Once the bottom end is built and the comp. ratio dropped it's the sky is the limit or your wallet is the limit.

Stratman, you have to post some pics, we're all dying to see the car. A nice burnout vid would be pretty sweet.

[MikeS]

I didn't say just boltons, I said boltons and a procharger (a supercharger). I don't consider a s/c a bolton although technically it could be one. I do know that those numbers have been achieved with full boltons and a blower, granted anyone doing this would most definitely have to run race gas or get a forged short block to have any form of reliability. Also, that's for 2valve 4.6 v8s. For comparison sakes, an ls1 with full boltons and a blower makes anywhere from 500rwhp-600rwhp and surprisingly enought they can last a while on stock internals if tuned correctly. Once the bottom end is built and the comp. ratio dropped it's the sky is the limit or your wallet is the limit.

I'm not disagreeing at all, and again, I'm not doubting the power numbers. Know that the 2 valve SOHC 4.6 is nothing like the OHV 5.0. I'd say the aftermarket for the OHV 5.0 is as strong as the aftermarket for any other motor design. The OHC modular V8s are a superior design out of the box, IMO, and they've been around long enough to establish a strong aftermarket of their own. The modular V8's stock internals can safetly take you to 500 HP. With forged cranks, rods, and pistons, there are a handful of turbo applications that claim 900 bhp on pump gas. So, yeah, I'm perfectly aware of what can be done with an endless wallet. Unfortunately, my wallet is pretty shallow. I'd love to be able to cram a modular into my Gen2 Ford Ranger.