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In reply to NepalNT - I'm not a Vick fan whatsoever. I don't think his punishment was harsh enough. I love animals, but not all equally. I love dogs and cats more than most other animals.
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The only important point is ,that the juvenile Tigers act much more "wilder" than the Adult ones.
Pets like dogs and cats need to feed their hunting instinct..After eating a whole sheep ,a dog wouldn't kill any other sheep till next week!
I can't see tigers getting a license and gathering with other tigers to have a hunting party!And that's just for fun!
I think Mr. JB F. Hell put it best: Neither side of the fence can really be wrong in this debate as neither knows, with substantial certainty, the cognitive processes of animals. But I would add an addendum: IMO you are wrong if you state your position definitively. We can speculate, but because we cannot communicate with animals in a sufficient manner, the fact is that no one knows for sure.
If I had to argue my point of view, I'd say that I'm more inclined to believe that animals don't kill for fun. Most of the time you seen an animal kill or maim another animal, even for reasons other than food, it can be traced back to some explanation dealing with survival in one way or another, at least from my experience. However, I'm not going to say this is definitely the case as, most importantly, we can't proficiently communicate with animals and therefore cannot fully understand their thoughts. As a result we can only speculate as to why they do what they do.
True that this is all speculation since actual communication with them is all but impossible with our current technology. That being said, we judge each other without communicating at all most times and I'm quite certain that I'm being judged by some who don't know what motivates me any more than they do the animals that appear to kill needlessly. So the fallacy works both ways?
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We have no more mental capacity to understand animal language right now than other species have to understand ours. That's why we can merely speculate, and until we can ask other species about individuality, we can merely theorize on their level of self-awareness.
Anyway, I watched an interesting show on Discovery HD last evening about rogue elephants in South Africa. The documentary suggested at one point that juvenile bulls were killing rhinos for fun, stating that until recently the two species lived peacefully amongst one another. The show suggested that human intervention to reduce elephant overpopulation by removing juvenile bulls from their herds may be stunting the bulls' social development, and as a result, they kill for fun because they didn't know any better. They were getting very close to suggesting that elephants were capable of having morals.
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Bleh. Whatever. The point I'm making is that it's a generalization. The norm in the animal kingdom is kill for food, but there are animals (not many) that kill for reasons other than food.
Beyond which, that might've been perpetuated by Jungle Book, among other sources.
I have no way of judging whether an animal is having what I would call "fun", at least from its' own, animal perspective, so I can't comment on why animals kill.
I can't even tell why "self-aware" humans kill sometimes...
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