A bit more Info I found on EVH early guitars

[jerryjg]

H. So debating and getting pissed off at each other over this tiny details is worthless and I don't wanna do that.

I Do!

[kramer.geetar]

Definitely reverb and delay, gotta have it

[kramer.geetar]

I Do!

I'll get back to you on the real truth about the body wood. Sources are great is all I'll say for now....

[WhoFan]

worrying about the right body wood is weird to me... i know we VH fans would all love to get the exact wood type as the Frankie had, but don't we all know that even guitar bodies made from the same tree all sound different? So in that case a piece of Alder may be a better tone wood choice then a piece of ash in some cases... or even poplar if it's a good piece... for example, all 3 wood types that Fender has used in general all sound somewhat the same... some warmer and some brighter is about the only real difference and in a lot of cases the tone difference is not huge between good examples of each 3 wood types......

on a side note.. fender even used Mahogany in Strats and Teles in the early 60's... says so in my Strat book and shows photos of some where the paint has chiped off

[jerryjg]

i know we VH fans would all love to get the exact wood type as the Frankie had, but don't we all know that even guitar bodies made from the same tree all sound different? f

I never subscribed to that BS. Its especially prevalant with guys on a budget trying out cheap guitars. "yeah, i played a dozen X guitars ({useing my best "moron" voice}), and then I played *this" one and it just resonated so much better and this and that..". Hawgwarsh! Maybe its true only becasue theyre all so much junk he finally found one with the neck screwed on straight. That myth was perpetuated by the 70's boat anchor Starts and Norlin pancake Les Pauls. Then you can/could actually find a better sounding guatar on the odd instance.
But a modern production guitars like a Strats and les pauls .. I just cringe when I hear idoits saying to try a bunch of them. Puh-leeeease!
Total placebo effect. They hear what they wanna hear.Probably the salesman agrees with them and then they are convinced its true and buy the guitars.Many times waht they are hearing is just a better set up axe. Nothing wahtsoever about better materials or wood or such nonsence.
They all need a pro set up anyhow for the most part.

[Empty Pockets]

Jerry, you are wrong, all the time.

Different trees grow to different densities and those differences give each and every guitar a unique voice. If you think every single MIM Strat that comes out of the factory sounds exactly like every other MIM Strat you should really go play some ****in guitars instead of posturing on the internet all day.

[kramer.geetar]

Agreed Empty Pockets. Even by todays standards, no way are all guitars perfect copies of each other. Also its not only the differences in the wood but also construction itself. I've held many guitars in my hand in stores. My last was a $1400 '52 Tele reissue which had a nice gap between the neck and body

[jerryjg]

Jerry, you are wrong, all the time.

Different trees grow to different densities and those differences give each and every guitar a unique voice. If you think every single MIM Strat that comes out of the factory sounds exactly like every other MIM Strat you should really go play some ****in guitars instead of posturing on the internet all day.

bb..b..you are the one who steeered me into getting a P90's Gibson after I came on here and said P90's suckled. (actually , I wasnt entirly wrong casue even though they are great the humbucker is STILL king of tone). My new Gibson Classic ( 2 P90's) IS asolutely a glorious sounding and playing guitar. Hmmm. I'll give waht you say serious consideration. Considerd.Your wrong. every MIM and budget axe is THE SAME. They are all slathered in so much primer that even the nitro ones sound the same. You said it urself dude- all gear sounds the same. ALot of it does, I slammed you at the time, but there are major similarities to even all the expensive gear.
Anyway, I'm right, your wrong. If ever there is any question about that just refer to that cardinal principal...that "mantra " if you will. "I'm right, your wrong". It will serve you well. It may fail , not in principle, but in certin instances, but you will find it true 95% of the time.

[jerryjg]

Agreed Empty Pockets. Even by todays standards, no way are all guitars perfect copies of each other. Also its not only the differences in the wood but also construction itself. I've held many guitars in my hand in stores. My last was a $1400 '52 Tele reissue which had a nice gap between the neck and body

Same, Need a set up. all parts are CNC machined to exacting toelrances you could not begin to discern without an electron microscope.

[the guy who invented fire]

[saladin]

Don't forget EVH is smoking meth. I'm quite sure that is THE secret to his tone.

[jerryjg]

True, soory. Wood is wood.All CNC machined the exact same Its all Kiln dried(not air dried) than slathered beyond recognition with primer. Then depending on how sloppily is assembled you can probably find a worse one..but never a better one.
If you have a custom made guitar, or pay extra for select wood on the deluxe series Strats or Gibson Standards( they relate the price accordingly to the grade of wood and the assembly craftsmanship to detail) then of course the guiatr will sound better..MUCH better,.
I am not about dumping on cheap guiatrs any longer. Hell, I bought a couple..but get serious. You dont get nothing for free.Your going to pay one way or another with a cheap guitar. You can try several million of them for all I give a dang.
I know youse guys money is hard earned and you like to believe you can beat the system somehow. No. You cannot.You cannot beat the syestem. Is that waht you are suggesting?

[Aceman]

well this is going to sound funny as hell but i can get dam close to that VHI sound with my if you can get a guitar and amp set up close enough, add some reverb and a touch of delay... it is on the recording even if it was not part of his Marshall rig...

I could nail it with a Les Paul, a boss ME-6 (!!!!), and a Peavey Transtube. werd on the verb & delay...plate and a subtle digital from the DD-3!!!!!

[the guy who invented fire]

True, soory. Wood is wood.All CNC machined the exact same Its all Kiln dried(not air dried) than slathered beyond recognition with primer. Then depending on how sloppily is assembled you can probably find a worse one..but never a better one.
If you have a custom made guitar, or pay extra for select wood on the deluxe series Strats or Gibson Standards( they relate the price accordingly to the grade of wood and the assembly craftsmanship to detail) then of course the guiatr will sound better..MUCH better,.
I am not about dumping on cheap guiatrs any longer. Hell, I bought a couple..but get serious. You dont get nothing for free.Your going to pay one way or another with a cheap guitar. You can try several million of them for all I give a dang.
I know youse guys money is hard earned and you like to believe you can beat the system somehow. No. You cannot.You cannot beat the syestem. Is that waht you are suggesting?

Dude, what the hell are you even talking about? Do you even know???

[the guy who invented fire]

Yes. I know. You can't play 10 guiatrs and find a "better" one, only maybe a "least worse one"( due to set up issues or possible defectively assembled guitar). I NEVER want to hear a guy say to play a bunch of guiatsr first to find athe best one cause of "better more resonant wood or materials." It may sound better, sure, but ..99% of the time due to minor set up issues..but mostly its placebo effect. No difference whatsoever.

If you really believe that then stop clogging up the whole damn forum with thread after thread after damn thread about Ed's old guitars and just go get any run of the mill junk strat and get a pro set up...

PLEASE...DO IT FOR ALL OF US...

I know I can't be the only guy here tired of reading all these EVH posts...

[saladin]

[KeeperOS]

OMG, the old hag is out for blood!

I've seen this photo before and every time it cracks me up

[Ayrton]

That is what a vampire looks like that has not fed in a while.

[WhoFan]

reading thru all these posts is kind of funny... i can't believe Jerry you feel that all Fender strats of the same model are the same in sound and quality because they use the same type of Lumber and CNC machines... they CNC machine parts true, but there is a Mexican Worker sanding and finnish shaping each part on drum sanders or by hand.... Highly skilled workers they are... One guy grabing necks and finnishing the back contours with a drum sander!!!!

There is a guy on the loading dock at Fender that decides in a second were each body blank shipped to them from Oregon is going... One skid is for CS, One skid is for American series, and then on down the line... the less liked pieces are re-shipped to Mexico..

I have 2 90's MIM Standards... pretty much both of the same finnish and build quality... one sings and the other is a dog... there is something "better" about the wood in the good one... As i said before, some wood likes to vibrate and be in a guitar, and others are meant for packing crate material...

i have seen some awful build quality in some new Fenders of late... CNC work be damed...

[tone?]

So what was the guitar made of finally???