Re: NASA conspiracy theory cool Sh!T
Originally Posted by B2D
...."The image does not reveal whether the U.S. flag planted there is still standing or not"
^ I read earlier today (I forgot where) that the flag was blown down when the top half of the Lunar Landing Module lifted off as it seperated from the base with the legs.
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See...this is a little circular.
If NASA has something to hide, and they're a huge, menacing, malevolent force capable of erasing memories, killing its own, and HUGE coverups...then...shoot...for them to have accidentally erased some tapes of the moon landing just doesn't seem possible, right? I mean, if they're capable of all that other stuff, then they should **** well be capable of preserving video tapes. UNLESS THEY ERASED THEM ON PURPOSE! And they did that because they have something to hide, and because they're a huge, menacing, malevolent force capable of....
The needle on the record jumps, ad infinitum.
Here's a snippet from a recent article on yahoo news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...sci_moon_videoNafzger said a huge search that began three years ago for the old moon tapes led to the "inescapable conclusion" that 45 tapes of Apollo 11 video were erased and reused. His report on that will come out in a few weeks.
The original videos beamed to Earth were stored on giant reels of tape that each contained 15 minutes of video, along with other data from the moon. In the 1970s and '80s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes, so it erased about 200,000 of them and reused them.
How did NASA end up looking like a bumbling husband taping over his wedding video with the Super Bowl?
Nafzger, who was in charge of the live TV recordings back in the Apollo years, said they were mostly thought of as data tapes. It wasn't his job to preserve history, he said, just to make sure the footage worked. In retrospect, he said he wished NASA hadn't reused the tapes.
Outside historians were aghast.
"It's surprising to me that NASA didn't have the common sense to save perhaps the most important historical footage of the 20th century," said Rice University historian and author Douglas Brinkley. He noted that NASA saved all sorts of data and artifacts from Apollo 11, and it is "mind-boggling that the tapes just disappeared."
The remastered copies may look good, but "when dealing with historical film footage, you always want the original to study," Brinkley said.
Smithsonian Institution space curator Roger Launius, a former NASA chief historian, said the loss of the original video "doesn't surprise me that much."
"It was a mistake, no doubt about that," Launius said. "This is a problem inside the entire federal government. ... They don't think that preservation is all that important."
Launius said federal warehouses where historical artifacts are saved are "kind of like the last scene of `Raiders of the Lost Ark.' It just goes away in this place with other big boxes."
The company that restored all the Indiana Jones movies, including "Raiders," is the one bailing out NASA.
Lets not forget that NASA are the ones that smashed the mars lander to pieces by mixing up inches and centimeters. And I'm sure there's some theory on how that's a cover-up too...
Truth is, though, this is a government-funded space program, run by humans, and humans are capable of pretty **** grievous errors. I mean, just look at all the conspiracy theories floating around.
...anywho...I kinda like maddox's take on the whole 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons
and feel that the same principle can be applied here...
If NASA is a large, evil, malevolent force capable of erasing memories, killing it's own, and MASSIVE coverups...
Then why is Richard Hoagland still alive, and why weren't his theories silenced at first utterance?
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Dan
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Richard Hoagland isnt the ONLY one that believes in those theories man.
I for one cannot in no way believe that NASA taped over the moon landing. Its totally insane. Do you have any idea how complex of a project it is to send a man to the moon??? You think they hired a bunch of dolts for the job???? And then hired someone totally moronic to store the tapes and then re-use them???
They wouldnt be put into a vault somewhere???
Its got to be the silliest excuse I have ever heard in my life.
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It's plausible; it could happen. Network television has erased decades of old footage from shows that recorded historic or otherwise singular moments for similar reasons. Analog tapes are not the most compact data format in the world, and penny-pinching has had NASA by the nads since the 70's.
We're talking about an agency which is driven by cost-cutting and savings, rather than science. This is the same mentality that brought about the Challenger tragedy, by refusing to follow up on early safety concerns. It would have cost too much to back up the production cycle. These are the same people that almost lost Apollo 13, because the QC on early construction stages of the rocket was hampered by time and budget. This is the same government agency that refuses to refer to Apollo 1 by name, for it was a similar laxity that caused the deaths of Grissom, White and Chaffee.
Sometimes idiocy and evil are mistaken for each other, because the results can be the same -- tragedy. We're lucky we've got the stuff we have, even though there will always be some doubting Thomases. They won't be satisfied until they can see the footprints for themselves.
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IT was the aliens.
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I never said anything about the guys who worked on the moon landing being dolts. Nor was it implied, I mean, how could I possibly think that the people who accomplished such a task were idiots?
Nevertheless...NASA, though not a bunch of dolts, is made up of humans, and the human element pops it's head up every now and then. Like I said...these guys weren't interested in documenting history, it's all about the science. And the's.
I've noticed one thing, though, something that seems to stick out to me. A lot of these conspiracy theories seem to be pushed with loaded questions. Going to my god of information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
Thus, these sorts of questions that begin with "do you really believe" do nothing to support facts or prove points. I wrote a paper on informal fallacies a year ago or so...round the same time that I decided to break up with my ex-girlfriend...
Peace,
Dan
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If I might be allowed to indulge myself in a bit of retrospect, I am so damm glad that these still living legends: Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Gordon Cooper were MY heroes. Chuck Yeager too.
The dregs of stardom and heros these days are too often, disgusting. I am glad none my heros were not the lot of interchangeable fools that children are exposed to these days.
edit: NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
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The silver was reclaimed in most instances. You are right, the lost images are sadly gone forever.
The US gov't. also melted down countless WWII aircraft. This was stockpiled into "strategic reserves". Dumping all that aluminum on the small market at that time, would have destroyed the mining of aluminum (bauxite ore) for years, including Canada.
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OK, enough already. It's true. They were there. All of the lunar landers that got to the moon were actually fired into space and travelled thousands of miles. There's no conspiracy, no Hollywood fiction.
Unless you disbelieve this too...
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I would believe in moonlanding, if someone get's into a moon suit and travels in a Nuclear powerplant...in the reactor zone. That's the amount of radiation on the moon. If someone survives that, I'll believe in them!
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daemon, somebody had to clean up after Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. I'm sure the radiation issue has been addressed.
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Yes, and how many of them still live like Buzz? One of my best friends is Ukrainian. His grandpa "melted" in special antiradiation suit. And that was allmost 20 years after moon landing.
Even NASA claims that the solar radiation and cosmic rays are "very hard to stop".And they claim it today!! They are working on new suits to stop it. And then they say they did it 40 years ago?
Sorry, but sooo many things are blatantly wrong. I don't talk about the conspiracy, but mostly the "lack of scientific evidence".
Showing as reproduced small pictures where they should have been landed is comical too.
It would be better to shoot a small rover, and let it record and stream "realtime" what it sees on the moon. Let it show the flag, the sites, the junk..whatever it sees. That would shut my mouth
It's not my government, and I don't have to believe in them. It's not my tax money, so i don't really wish they are telling me the truth.
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best point raised yet. Missions to the moon would have to go through a lot of it. More than the spacecraft could block, it has been argued.
It was explained to me once how the problem was dealt with but I'm unable to regurgitate the hows and whys.
It is the biggest tipping point in the argument though. I don't know what to think about anything anymore except Clint Eastwood movies like Gran Torino and the band Gojira, previously, Godzilla. (Threads now playing)
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One thing that I think the chernobyl argument overlooks is the fact that NASA's suits are airtight while the suits used in the reactor almost certainly were not. Getting hit with a large amount of neutron radiation is far less dangerous than consuming pieces of radioactive material.
I would need to see specific numbers before I believed the "as much radiation than as a nuclear core" statement. I also don't have any idea of how long people were walking on the surface compared to sitting in the shuttle or how long they were on the moon at all. Where chernobyl firefighters were out for a relatively long time.
These all factor in to the equation but have not been addressed by conspiracy theorists.
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duh gubment shawt kenuhdee.
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But it's not.
(in the following I assume you at least believe that we have satellites in orbitz, if you don't then I can't help you. Enjoy your GPS and sat TV).
It's very easy to understand: by far the most difficult part is getting in and out of the Earth's atmosphere.
Getting in is very difficult because of the heat that burns up pretty much everything that isn't at the right angle and has the ninja macho heat kondom. Getting out is difficult because it requires so much energy to overcome weight and distance, in particular in the flight's beginning where you have to move all the fuel you will need but didn't burn yet.
Once you are out of the atmosphere, things are easy.
There is nothing between us and the moon. No obstacles. No friction that you need to overcome with energy. No objects that hit you. Once you are out of the atmosphere nothing keeps you from going to the moon. The energy required to make the way from the Earth to the moon in acceptable time is only a fraction of the energy needed for the initial Earth orbitz. Nothing keeps you.
Landing on the sucker is trivial. It has very low gravity. What's the problem? None. If you practiced landing the LEM in the strong gravity of earth, what's the problem going to be on the Moon. Would you think flying a helicopter is easier:
- In strong gravity
- In light gravity
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tone?, bro, you've moved to the conspiracy capital of the world. Enjoy. Just wait until you get to JFK, Bigfoot & and of the propaganda reels from the 50's.
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tone?, bro, you've moved to the conspiracy capital of the world. Enjoy. Just wait until you get to JFK, Bigfoot & and of the propaganda reels from the 50's.
LOL, thanks man!
Guys I do believe that we landed on the moon, for the last time this ISNT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.LOL
I just find some things hard to believe. Like NASA hiding some stuff. I just wanted to debate it here.
I STILL dont believe that they lost/taped over the moon landing tapes. NO WAY.
sorry dudes. just cant
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Well, I don't even talk about the "core" area. I adress this point pretty well actually.
NASA and other scientist in different universities have articles about it. Just type Moon and Radiation on google. NASA try to explain how "dangerous" it is on the moon.
Anyways, again, before they do it "live" , I won't believe in it. I am pretty into science (My Job), and I won't believe in questionable material and accept it as a fact. I am shure that U.S.A has probes on moon, took many pictures and gathered material. So did Russia and maybe even China. But nobody really takes close and detailed pictures of anything!!!
Nobody demonstrates with a beagle or monkey a "spacesuit" test.
The cosmic ray (Actually not a real ray, more particle shower) is a very strong radiation with diverse particles. We are NOT able to protect human being from it now. There is no evidence we can, and nobody demonstrates anything.
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