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    Cool Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Does anyone know how the Ibanez Super 58's compare to different Seymour Duncan humbuckers.
    I'm interested in upgrading my Talman TC825. It has two Super 58's, and a bigsby. I've always been very dissatisfied with tone of it. It has more than enough gain, but it has always sounded too bright and thin. I even replaced the volume pot with a lower resistance one in hopes of tameing some of the high end. It made it less bright, but it is still really thin sounding
    Thanks for all your info.
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    In my experience, Ibanez pickups are good.



    As paperweights. Or fridge magnets.


    Seriously though, I'm sure you'll be much more pleased with a set of Duncan humbuckers.

    If you want to fatten up that Talman, I'd go with a Pearly Gates neck and a Custom Custom inthe bridge. They'll be fatter than what you have now, and they'll still have more clarity.
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    Cool Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by Benjy_26
    In my experience, Ibanez pickups are good.



    As paperweights. Or fridge magnets.


    Seriously though, I'm sure you'll be much more pleased with a set of Duncan humbuckers.

    If you want to fatten up that Talman, I'd go with a Pearly Gates neck and a Custom Custom inthe bridge. They'll be fatter than what you have now, and they'll still have more clarity.
    Thanks Benjy. I was wondering, is that a setup that you use, and if it is, what type of guitar is it on, and what amp do you normally play it through? Also how is the low end on the custom custom in the bridge position, especially clean.
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Well, I have a Pearly Gates set in my Les Paul, and an APH/CC set in my Carvin. I normally play through either a BF Bassman head through a 2x12 open back cab( w/ Celestion Vin 30's), or my Boss GT-6 into a Peavey Classic 60/60 tube power amp into the same cab. The CC has a lot of low mids with a rolled back bass response, so it sounds kind of "spongey" in the low end. It's not a bad sound, but it is softer in the lows than say, a Custom, JB, or especially a C5. In a bright guitar though, it's my favorite bridge pickup. The big low mids really help fill out the sound.

    The PG for the neck has a cool hollow quality with a slight bump in the upper mid frequencies and a softer high end than a 59 but it still retains a very clean low end response, especially for an Alnico II neck humbucker. It sounds thick, but I have yet to make it sound boomy.
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by Benjy_26

    As paperweights. Or fridge magnets.
    The Ibanez/Powersound pickups. The best ranged weapon against dogs because they are extremely well balanced when thrown and have the best CW/wheight ratio in the market today

    For the Talman a Pearly/Pearly set would be great.

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    Cool Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by NecroPolo
    The Ibanez/Powersound pickups. The best ranged weapon against dogs because they are extremely well balanced when thrown and have the best CW/wheight ratio in the market today

    For the Talman a Pearly/Pearly set would be great.
    Do certain pickups work better against certain dogs, or does it depend more on you preference and throwing style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBros.
    Do certain pickups work better against certain dogs, or does it depend more on you preference and throwing style.
    LOL!!!

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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by FireBros.
    Do certain pickups work better against certain dogs, or does it depend more on you preference and throwing style.


    It's all up to throwing style. The Powersound pickup won't let the personal character of the dog shining through.

    I prefer the slinging technique. The most important is the lenght of the wire and the wheight of the pickup. Generally, DiMarzios fly slow because of the lighter material. Seymours fly faster and have a deep impact but they are primarily intended to scare away and hurt the opponent, not to kill (e.g. Invader ergonomic anti-personnel round black-oxide screws). EMGs have pretty heavy ranged damage, especially if you leave the wires and all the circuit mods and the battery, it will slice the opponent into pieces if aimed properly. But don't be fooled: none of these knock-offs can match the hunting abilities of a sniping-class real Powersound p-up!

    Swingle coils are the best against smaller dogs with lots of trebly and biting hi-mid tone. Be careful and experiment a lot but don't afraid: if you miss a small dog with an appropriate swingle coil it will improve bite and improve your overall volume, sppeed and dynamics but you can re-set yourself pretty quickly. If you hit the dog with a swingle coil pickup it will improve its overall volume, speed and dynamics.

    Hambuckers are for bigger dogs with more lows and biting lo-mids that are muddy and heavy. Naturally these dogs have a darker tone. Since the chunk of dog is bigger, it is easier to get a good result. If you sling a hamby to the neck position of such a dark soundoing dog it will improve overall volume, adds treble and dynamics. If you aim well it will improve the dog's speed. If you aim bad and can't slap the hambucker none to the neck or the hardtail positions, it will improve your speed to a devastating level.

    Hope it helps.
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    necro, this is the post of the day! frickin hilarious!!!!

    to add my .02 dont bother with ibanez pups.. they are total crap. bridges are usually way too trebbly, the necks dont even sound like a neck humbucker should. their single coils.. not even gonna comment on it.

    like said, ibanez pups are good paperweights.

    do yourself a favor and go with a duncan. if you're in the US and buy from a licensed dealer, you got 21 days to return them for a diferent pup if the tone doesnt work for your type of music
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by FireBros.
    Does anyone know how the Ibanez Super 58's compare to different Seymour Duncan humbuckers.
    I'm interested in upgrading my Talman TC825. It has two Super 58's, and a bigsby. I've always been very dissatisfied with tone of it. It has more than enough gain, but it has always sounded too bright and thin. I even replaced the volume pot with a lower resistance one in hopes of tameing some of the high end. It made it less bright, but it is still really thin sounding
    Thanks for all your info.

    It seems that you need a pair of pickups with a low output and a warm tone. In my opinion APH set (alnico pro humbucker) will give you this both things. Somebody suggested you a APH/CC. CC it is a high output humbucker and ussually this ones aren't for clean stuff.

    There are other sets for a low output/clean results: 59's, Pearly Gates's or Seth Lover's but it seems that APH are the ones you are looking for.

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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    unfortunately the advice you seek is coming from those with biased opinions. I will be more than happy to take those super 58s off your hands email me at trav9819@yahoo.com
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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    You're all mad.

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    I love ibanez guitars but dislike the pickups, although i cant comment on the particular pickups in question as i havent used them. If you look around the board i think you will find people recommending all sorts of pickups in an unbiased manner, the reason people here dislike (most) ibanez pickups, is beacause they are (mostly) poor.


    (very funny post necropolo!)

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    Cool Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by stratvox
    unfortunately the advice you seek is coming from those with biased opinions. I will be more than happy to take those super 58s off your hands email me at trav9819@yahoo.com


    What's your experience with the Super 58's. They're supposed to be their top of the line pickups, but most of the pro players using them, seem to be jazz cats. Maybe they just don't work in this guitar, with my playing style
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    Cool Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    Quote Originally Posted by FireBros.
    What's your experience with the Super 58's. They're supposed to be their top of the line pickups, but most of the pro players using them, seem to be jazz cats. Maybe they just don't work in this guitar, with my playing style


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    Default Re: Compare Ibanez Super 58's to SD humbuckers

    But you gotta admit: wouldn't it be cool if, someday, Ibanez guitars came with factory installed Seymour Duncans?

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