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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Ladd View Post
    Based upon Lindy Fralin's unmatched coil scheme I wouldn't suggest exceeding a difference in the DC Resistance of the coils of say X 1.5/1.6, whereas the difference between the 59 and JB's coils DC Resistance is like X 2...

    Then again the difference between the 59 and Custom's coils is like X 1.75 and no one seems to be noticing any hum...I haven't tried that config, so I don't know.

    The hybrids are less hum canselling,i`v noticed some noise !

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    Question Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by kaffimann View Post
    The hybrids are less hum canselling,i`v noticed some noise !
    Make sense

    Still looking from BtR's input on my last question:

    Is this correct for Duncan HB coils?

    North coil is wound CW?

    South coil is wound CCW?

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Ladd View Post
    Make sense

    Still looking from BtR's input on my last question:

    Is this correct for Duncan HB coils?

    North coil is wound CW?

    South coil is wound CCW?

    Thanks
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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Ladd View Post
    Doesn't the 59 use 42 GA wire & the Custom 43 GA? does that give the 59 coil more hum-canceling due to more winds?

    Also, I think that SD winds their coils opposite of Dimarzio/Gibson et al.

    Do you know if this is correct for Duncan HB coils?

    North coil is wound CW

    South coil is wound CCW

    42 & 43 as stated in the opening thread... the Custom(43) actually has more winds than the 59(42) as it is a thinner wire, but they roughly put about the same amount of actual copper mass on the bobbin... the different gauges have their unique response characteristics that when combined in a hybrid produce an amazing pallette of tone.

    I am not aware of what direction Di and Gi wind their coils in relation to Seymour...
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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Backtorock, I know you recommend going Hybrid primarily with Duncans, but I have to ask, if I haven't asked you already:

    What do you think of the possibility of an AirZone/Virtual PAF hybrid? Same EQ shape according to DMZ's charts. Are they within your wire gauge parameters?

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Ok, I am going to ask what may be the dumb question of the day. I have a 59 Trembucker (TB59-1B) and a Custom Trembucker (TB-5) just sitting around begging for me to try this. Instead of the normal custom in the bridge and 59 in the neck, can I swap the coils (effectively having two hybrids) and use one in the neck and one in the bridge, or am I using two pups to come up with one hybrid?

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Oh c’mon, it wasn’t that dumb.

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    You will have two hybrids in the end but both would be bridge models. Nothing is to say you cant put one in the neck and like it too. They are Trem spaced so maybe the string alignment could be a little off in the neck but maybe not.

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    BachToRock I sent you a PM

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Check this baby out...

    59/Custom Hybrid with MJ wound coils & Invader polepieces!

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by BachToRock View Post
    Check this baby out...

    59/Custom Hybrid with MJ wound coils & Invader polepieces!
    And looks to be reverse zebra at that!!! My pants just got smaller.
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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    How does it sound?

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by Voxman View Post
    The hybrids are less hum canselling,i`v noticed some noise !
    I noticed this as well after wiring a C5/'59 hybrid in the bridge position of my Bailey. There is a bit more noise than the Golden 50's that is in the neck position. I thought it might be a bad ground or something, but it all makes sense now.

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by WGTP View Post
    How does it sound?
    HUGE!

    Those polepieces spread the magnetic field out over a larger area and since they don'y protrude out the bottom of the baseplate it is more concentrated within the coils for more power.

    I initially tried it with an A2, but I think I like the A5 better.

    I am going to make another one, but as a JB/Custom Hybrid... with either an A5 or the Ceramic from the Custom.
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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    New to the forum. But have been in here for some time, reading.

    Seems that hybrid is the way to go for me too. I have been experimenting with pickups, where to place them, wiring, etc, and will split coils. I´m using CC and Jazz today. I have a trembucker in bridge, slightly tilted (to get some punch on basside and harmonics on the higher), and regular size in neck. Homemade axe. Before I experiment and order parts (pickup) to make it work I´m hoping for some answers.

    i wonder about the difference between coils, and screws/slug.
    - Are the pair of coils within Custom, 59 and jazz close to identical?
    - Can I change from screws to slug in one coil? And could this be reversed?

    Thanks for great thread.

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Called a friend and borrowed his guitar just to take out his 59. Have tried JB/C, C/59 and Jazz/59 with A2, 5 & ceramic.

    Can finally say I will not search for "the tone" anymore. This (Cslug/59screw/A2) is the real ****!!!!!

    Didn´t think there were much changes between jazz vs jazz/59. But my friend got to try this hybrid and compared it to 59, it is less muddy. Clearer chords and better to split.


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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Yup... the 59/Custom Hybrid gets "THE TONE"

    Glad you tried the 59/Jazz Neck Hybrid... it is "THE TONE" for the neck position!

    The tone when both pickups are on is absolutely magical as well... great for Albert King type blues tones...
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    Post Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Well, these hybrid pups sounds nice for low to mid gain, but I'm afraid under high gain you're gonna get a LOT of hum...

    At least that's been my experience

    With low to mid gain they seem to have nice clarity & bloom, while still having balls that low-wind pups usually are missing

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    anyone tried hybrid sh-13 with invader?

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    Default Re: HOW TO: Make a 59/Custom Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by TaZMaNiO View Post
    Well, these hybrid pups sounds nice for low to mid gain, but I'm afraid under high gain you're gonna get a LOT of hum...

    At least that's been my experience

    With low to mid gain they seem to have nice clarity & bloom, while still having balls that low-wind pups usually are missing
    Sounds like your wiring job... I play under high gain with only a tiny bit of hum from the mis-matched coils.
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