Dave Ghrol and the Grammy's

[Scott Olson]

Just my opinion, but I think he is right on. Music is about expressing humanity, heart & soul, pain and every other thing.

[Andrew Lamprecht]

Who is Dave Ghrol

[Scott Olson]

I don't know but he looks like the drummer for Nirvana.

[oilpit]

Who is Dave Ghrol

A rockist...

[crusty philtrum]

...... Music is about expressing humanity, heart & soul, pain and every other thing.

Meh, it's a nice try in the effort to stand out from the crowd but it'll never catch on. Synthetic mechanised industrial grade noise with autotune and devoid of any human emotion is what we want.

[lex666]

I thought it was about heroin.

[ratherdashing]

The only music I like any more is the noise the compressor in my fridge makes in the summer.

I believe it's called "dubstep".

[FretFire]

What a pretty guitar!

[FretFire]

I think he's referring more to the people that can't sing being autotuned to hell because they have the right look.

[JordanM82]

Meh.

I respect the guy, and saw a Foos show last summer that was great.

But who is he to denounce the emotions of the electronica musician that sits behind their computer to create their music? If you actually sit down and talk to these guys, they know a lot about music, they know a lot about how to create different sounds and vibes, and they pour as much of their heart and soul into it as any guitarist does with their rock music.

The comments to me, just seem to be another rock musician jumping on the 'rap sucks' bandwagon. It's crazy sometimes, the close-minded attitudes you see from people on this very forum, where it seems cool and ok to totally disregard any skill or expressiveness in styles of music that don't use guitars. What's funny is that when i attended college and studied music, i (as a rock musician) would get the very same attitudes directed at me from classical orchestra musicians who thought you weren't a real musician unless you could sight read music and unless there was a famous concerto esspecially written for your instrument. Rock musicians faced the same stuff when rock came about, then metal, and so on. Sadly, those attitudes prevail but now with regards to even more modern forms of music, including amongst famous musicians who ought to know better.

Wow... I think maybe you are over sensitive about this topic... the human element he was talking about could just as easily be a DJ or a MC doing their "craft" too. Have a beer... calm down.

[oilpit]

Meh.

I respect the guy, and saw a Foos show last summer that was great.

But who is he to denounce the emotions of the electronica musician that sits behind their computer to create their music? If you actually sit down and talk to these guys, they know a lot about music, they know a lot about how to create different sounds and vibes, and they pour as much of their heart and soul into it as any guitarist does with their rock music.

The comments to me, just seem to be another rock musician jumping on the 'rap sucks' bandwagon. It's crazy sometimes, the close-minded attitudes you see from people on this very forum, where it seems cool and ok to totally disregard any skill or expressiveness in styles of music that don't use guitars. What's funny is that when i attended college and studied music, i (as a rock musician) would get the very same attitudes directed at me from classical orchestra musicians who thought you weren't a real musician unless you could sight read music and unless there was a famous concerto esspecially written for your instrument. Rock musicians faced the same stuff when rock came about, then metal, and so on. Sadly, those attitudes prevail but now with regards to even more modern forms of music, including amongst famous musicians who ought to know better.

Hello, new favorite SDUGF member...

[ratherdashing]

Meh.

I respect the guy, and saw a Foos show last summer that was great.

But who is he to denounce the emotions of the electronica musician that sits behind their computer to create their music? If you actually sit down and talk to these guys, they know a lot about music, they know a lot about how to create different sounds and vibes, and they pour as much of their heart and soul into it as any guitarist does with their rock music.

The comments to me, just seem to be another rock musician jumping on the 'rap sucks' bandwagon. It's crazy sometimes, the close-minded attitudes you see from people on this very forum, where it seems cool and ok to totally disregard any skill or expressiveness in styles of music that don't use guitars. What's funny is that when i attended college and studied music, i (as a rock musician) would get the very same attitudes directed at me from classical orchestra musicians who thought you weren't a real musician unless you could sight read music and unless there was a famous concerto esspecially written for your instrument. Rock musicians faced the same stuff when rock came about, then metal, and so on. Sadly, those attitudes prevail but now with regards to even more modern forms of music, including amongst famous musicians who ought to know better.

I think you're reading too much into it.

When you boil it down, Dave's merely saying that being passionate about music and being dedicated to the craft of being a musician is more important than anything else. I think you could apply that sentiment to any genre.

[oilpit]

If you think Dave wasn't taking a jab at Skrillex you're dreaming

EDIT: That's not to say that I like skrillex at all...but he was being a rockist dick

[blueman335]

he was being a rockist dick

Hey, that's a good name for a rock band!

[TheLivingDead]

Meh.

I respect the guy, and saw a Foos show last summer that was great.

But who is he to denounce the emotions of the electronica musician that sits behind their computer to create their music? If you actually sit down and talk to these guys, they know a lot about music, they know a lot about how to create different sounds and vibes, and they pour as much of their heart and soul into it as any guitarist does with their rock music.

The comments to me, just seem to be another rock musician jumping on the 'rap sucks' bandwagon. It's crazy sometimes, the close-minded attitudes you see from people on this very forum, where it seems cool and ok to totally disregard any skill or expressiveness in styles of music that don't use guitars. What's funny is that when i attended college and studied music, i (as a rock musician) would get the very same attitudes directed at me from classical orchestra musicians who thought you weren't a real musician unless you could sight read music and unless there was a famous concerto esspecially written for your instrument. Rock musicians faced the same stuff when rock came about, then metal, and so on. Sadly, those attitudes prevail but now with regards to even more modern forms of music, including amongst famous musicians who ought to know better.

I love Grohl but I gotta agree with this. With him being in the music industry for so long, I didn't really pin him as a guy who can't see that there are other ways to, musically, express yourself other than on a physical instrument.

[Agileguy_101]

See, I don't see it as an attack on electronica and rap musicians. I see it as an attack on musicians without the talent to make their own music, whatever medium they may choose (guitar, piano, computer). I think Mattt and Oilpit are reading too far into it.

[misterwhizzy]

Meh.

I respect the guy, and saw a Foos show last summer that was great.

But who is he to denounce the emotions of the electronica musician that sits behind their computer to create their music? If you actually sit down and talk to these guys, they know a lot about music, they know a lot about how to create different sounds and vibes, and they pour as much of their heart and soul into it as any guitarist does with their rock music.

The comments to me, just seem to be another rock musician jumping on the 'rap sucks' bandwagon. It's crazy sometimes, the close-minded attitudes you see from people on this very forum, where it seems cool and ok to totally disregard any skill or expressiveness in styles of music that don't use guitars. What's funny is that when i attended college and studied music, i (as a rock musician) would get the very same attitudes directed at me from classical orchestra musicians who thought you weren't a real musician unless you could sight read music and unless there was a famous concerto esspecially written for your instrument. Rock musicians faced the same stuff when rock came about, then metal, and so on. Sadly, those attitudes prevail but now with regards to even more modern forms of music, including amongst famous musicians who ought to know better.

You're right. I wish we could all just know (and be) better. Much like yourself.

[tonello]

I have to disagree with the hard rock/ metal win. That should have gone to MAstodon or Megadeth. But Foo Fighters were spot on with everything else.

[trevorus]

The only music I like any more is the noise the compressor in my fridge makes in the summer.

I believe it's called "dubstep".

Farkin' sigged.

[PRSfan nym 1985]

I think he's referring more to the people that can't sing being autotuned to hell because they have the right look.

that or the people that quantize every drum part, etc.

and I kind of agree with him, it's not being close minded or jealous. I just don't like listening to music that's literally devoid of human emotion. There is electronic music that still uses human feel, dynamics, and musicality.

But I for one am sick of talentless nobodies becoming stars because they have DD's and a hot face. I want to hear people sing from the heart not sing through the Lexicon auto-tuner to a virtual drummer and copy and pasted bass/instrument parts. You take away the processing and these people can't sing to save their lives. Some of them don't even actually know how to compose or write music yet they are famous.

What happened to learning to play your instrument, writing your own songs, singing with passion, etc? Again that's not a cheap shot at electronic musicians because what they do is entirely different.

This isn't a cheap shot at musicians that don't utilize guitars this is a cheap shot at what people consider to be acceptable music today. There is nothing timeless in a lot of pop music today, sorry. I'm pretty sure most people in these younger generations are going to be embarrassed to buy into or listen to some of this crap once they get older and hopefully wiser.

I'm sorry I don't find fake instruments, auto-tune, quantisized drum parts, etc pleasing or inspiring. Where is the need to better yourself? where is the rebellious instinct for people to take that idea and run with it?

I think some of you guys are just reading into this the wrong way. it's about musicianship not about style you can easily argue that people are talentless in a number of genres.