HHH wiring without out o phase?

[tobbe]

hello,

a bit too hard to find this issue that might have been discussed before:

I have a strat type axe with two Hotrails, neck and middle, and a normal sized HBucker for bridge. For splitting i use a push pot as tone. (1x vol 1x tone)

now, i used the diagram here which says to revert the middle -(dont get the clue why)
but i get an out of phase sound when switching to middle/neck- when splitted, which i dont want!
Then i reversed the middle again so all black wires go to the 5way switch and all green/blank go to ground etc..
the same here, out of phase in split mode middle/bridge

is this an electrical issue that cannot be solved (without opening a PU) or is there any suggestion what funny things i could do instead?
Otherwise, i´ll have to live with out of phase.... in advance

[Zhaggy]

If you now have only problem witht the bridge/middle split sound there is two things you can do. 1 You reverse both neck and middle then all is good. This should be easier as you don't have to reverse the actual pickups physically(because it makes almost no difference whether it's the north or south coil of a rail pickup that is active), only two pairs of wires. 2 You can reverse the bridge hum. Here is less soldering but there are two things to consider. If you only reverse the wires, which is fine, you have the other coil active and in a normal hum especially in the bridge it makes noticeable difference which coil is it. You can turn the pup physically but then it might look wrong if the pup has text on it and the pole pieces are turned, which again is fine but some think it looks wrong.

[tobbe]

thanks a lot Zhaggy!
good news....
still i dont know which wires where to go for reverse.
guess i have none reversed at the moment, all blacks go to 5way


thinking what to choose version 1 or 2.
Tricky job to get the pairs apart, i hate it!
but i´ll try nr 1.
is there a close diagram to version 1?
or just a quick how to would be helpful.
reverse is when red switches black and ground is white and bare, right?

edit:
what if i change only the coil of the middle pu somehow?

[Zhaggy]

Well for the middle and neck pups (rails) you just reverse the black and green wires. So if now the black wires go to the switch and greens go to ground (and bare wires go to ground) You switch so that blacks go to ground and greens go to the switch. But remember bare wire goes ALWAYS to ground.

[ArtieToo]

tobbe, in the first diagram that you linked to, the middle pickup is not reversed. They've simply put the "other" coil in front so that the wiring will remain humbucking when you split to ground. In other words, if I "unfold" a humbucker, so the two coils are in a straight line, I can put either coil in front of the other. It has no effect on phase or polarity as long as green and white point towards the ground side and black and red point towards the hot side.

If you you wire everything up, exactly like that diagram shows, and one pickup is out of phase, then you have something wrong with one of the pups.

[ArtieToo]

Edit: Ignore this. See below.

I should add, if you did get one where the magnet was accidentally installed backwards, (its happened before,) then wire the middle pickup with green to the 5-way, red/white to the push-pull, and black to ground.

[ArtieToo]

Ooops. I said that wrong. If the pickup is truly reverse polarity, then wire the middle up just like that diagram, but just reverse white and red in that diagram. That will keep the split position humbucking.

[tobbe]

u´re saying: middle PU like diagram, but white goes to 5way, and red goes to ground.
Did it this way- !
but now the middle and neck are out of phase... :-(
oops, idea?
(the bridge is always humbucking, no matter what state the single coil switch is - which is ok somehow-)

edit:
Zhaggy said:
" You reverse both neck and middle then all is good. [.....]
Well for the middle and neck pups (rails) you just reverse the black and green wires. "

edit2:
now, i tried like Zhaggy said- works.
bridge always humbucking, but its ok-
thanks a lot to you all- appreciate very much- good job, dudes!


tobbe