It would be a G&L. A REAL Fender!
It would be a G&L. A REAL Fender!
When you've had budget guitars for a number of years, you may find that your old instrument is holding you back. A quality guitar can inspire you to write great songs, improve your understanding of the Gdim chord while in the Lydian Mode, cure the heartbreak of cystic acne--and help you find true love in the process.
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"Let me put it this way: the 5150 will treat
you better than any girlfriend, because it screams louder, it's easier to pick up, and it shuts up when you take your plug out." -Rip Glitter
If I could only have two guitars I'd have a Les Paul and a Tele, but if I could only have one I'd keep the Les Paul.
My hair gets longer as the beat gets stronger
Had to go with Fender out of necessity.
I'm an internet person. All we do is waste time evaluating things that have next-to-zero real world significance.
Remember, it's just a plank of wood. YOU have to find the music in it - The Telecaster Handbook
To me Choice is the difference between an original body shape. Everything else is a variation on a theme. It is only an opinion, but I did give it thought, and will explain!
I must admit I did forget a couple of Gibson shapes, and on careful analysis find that on body shape they're equal. I just know I'm going to be corrected here - I can see it coming a mile off!
When you strip back Gibson's models, there's really only 5 [6 is a stretch] original shapes, and some of those are essentially age old stringed instrument shapes, and so the choice isn't as impressive as one might think. the same rule applies to Fender, and on review adding the models I forgot they are equal.
Using different construction techniques, adding or subtracting cutaways, S holes, etc do not really change the fact that the guitars may be all based on a single basic design shape. A doubleneck being one of them - Nothing new there. You must admit that all manufacturers have the problem that if you push the design envelope too far it becomes un-comfortable to play, and so certain rules are essentially common to all.
As for pickups you have single coil, humbucker, passive and active, piezo and microphone. Everything else is a variation of material, winding, packaging, and response. If I've forgotten a major breakthrough, I'll stand corrected. Gibson applied the humbucking principle to Guitar pickups, but the laws of physics existed prior to that. a Stack is a vertical H-B and a split returns an H-B to Single coil. A Tap allows you to choose between resistance values. The variations on these themes effect tone and give tonal choice only.
Then there's money! Gibson is always expensive, and their lower end instruments are Epiphone. Whereas a Mex Strat/Tele still comes with a Fender Label, and then you can really bottom fish with Squire.
Fender has never let me down. Gibson have let me down and frankly their customer service department's attitude stinks. If someone from Gibson wants to write to me and explain how they've changed since my last experience I'll hear you out and accept their apology!
I can buy a Fender Licenced Body/neck replacement from a number of outlets in a variety of exotic wood finishes, but to achieve the same in a Gibson shape, particularly SG is virtually impossible without running a gauntlet of litigation - Even if you want a new body/neck for an existing guitar. Oh and referring back to Gibson Service - Try commissioning one!
I like the look of both manufacturer's guitars frankly, but Fender is pulling ahead for me at present!
Now can we have a beer? Have a good weekend I'm off partying tonight!
"Well, if I knew I probably had to play this song for the rest of my life, I probably would have written something else! ...But it's too late you're stuck with this one" Joe Walsh on 'Rocky Mountain Way'
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Fender lets me sound like me. Its combination of pickups and scale length -- I'm thinking here of course of the Strat and Tele -- are insanely useful. And adaptable. Give me a good tube amp and a Tube Screamer (or maybe a Blues Driver), and I can make a Strat sound like a Les Paul *far* more easily than I can make a Paul sound like a Strat. The latter, in fact, is impossible.
Fenders are miracles.
That said, when I can afford a good Gibson -- and if I can find a good Gibson -- I'll be getting a Les Paul.
Actually, my #1 and #2 right now are really combinations of the two...
A Schecter C1:
Mahogany body, maple cap, mahogany neck, rosewood board, two hummers (P-Rails) like a Gibby.
25.5" scale, body shape like a Fender.
My DIY "Carmel Burst":
Mahogany body, TOM bridge, rosewood board, two buckers (C/Demon UOA5 bridge, C/59 UOA5 neck) like a Gibby,
Strat body shape, maple neck, 25.5" scale like a Fender.
Originally Posted by IanBallard
Rule of thumb... the more pot you have, the better your tone.
If you asked me this 2 or so years ago... i would've said Gibson all the way. But I recently discovered the "right" fender... and i never went back.
FENDER all the way!
Last edited by Destructone; 05-05-2012 at 08:00 AM.
For purposes of this thread, Fender. However I would never take a stance against Gibson like a Redskins fan would against Dallas. I want an ES-335 some kind of bad to add to the collection and love the sound of a Gibson. But a fender neck just feels better and more natural in my hands and thus I'll always gravitate towards one over other brands.
Ahh, the age old apples vs. oranges argument. I'll bite!
I like the modular abilities of Fenders. Things can easily be taken off and replaced. It's about as much to get a new Tele neck as it is to have a reputable luthier repair a headstock crack.
I'm also more used to the flat 25.5" scale. That said, I like Gibsons, I've owned an SG copy and would like another SG and a 335. But if I had to stick with just one electric guitar, it would be Sunny (my upgraded MIM).
"Sunny Jane" '04 MIM Sunburst F Telecaster. GFS Neovin(b), Duncan Designed HB102(n)
"Sapphire" Indie Tribal Extreme
"Booty" Black Squier Jazz Bass
"Joy" "Vintage" 1100N Dreadnought
Traynor Custom Special 50W combo. 1x12" Vintage 30
Mark Bass Little Mark II 500W head
Traynor TC115 bass cabinet
Gibson! But Fender comes in a very close second
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I could easily find enough Gibsons to keep my panties moist for years. If I had to go with Fender, I'd petition the court to expand the definition of "Fender" to include Gretch, Guild, Jackson, Charvel, Sunn, SWR, EVH, etc.
....fwiw i still think gibson vs fender is a kinda silly discussion. Both companies make some really sweet guitars. It all comes down to what suits what you are trying to do best and what feels good to you. I would not normally play this kind of stuff on a strat cos the neck is too narrow and the strings are too light. Its kinda light and flimsy generally. I do love strats for lead work tho, maybe some light overdrive or fuzz into a sexy tube amp.
Last edited by gibson175; 05-06-2012 at 01:06 AM.
I would definately take Fender over Gibson, but lately I've been leaning towars ESP.
With a 'modular' neck, you also have trade-offs with some neck pockets that don't fit right, requiring wood-working or shims. It's not all beer and skittles you know.
Last edited by blueman335; 05-06-2012 at 08:46 AM.
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