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    Default Broken '78 repair job, pics, cautionary tale

    Last week SteveAlysis asked me about fixing a broken '78 he bought off CL for dirt. He decided to send it to me to look at rather than try to do it himself. Once I got it I could see a white wire dangling, but I couldn't tell if it was just pulled from the red, or if it was the coil lead. I hoped for the best.




    Errr, nope. Coil lead is cut, damn. I took the coil off and then I noticed the cut windings poking out. This thing is ****ed. Looks like some nub decided to jam a cover that wasn't wide enough on it. Awful expensive pickup to do something like that on.





    LOL:



    I unwound probably at least a hundred or so turns before I got the broken wires all out and it tested again. Every time I came to a break it was fun finding the right end again. The wad of hair from the sink drain is pickup wire:



    My method of stripping PE, folded over fine grit sandpaper. Don't pull or squeeze very hard:



    Scotch tape underneath, then over the top, leads soldered to the coil wire:




    Recovered with the original coil tape:



    Resoldered connections after testing again to make sure I didn't gank the wires while taping, and shrink wrapped them, which is how this should be done in the first place, in my opinion:



    Screw coil after rewiring, 4.84:



    Slug after rewiring, 4.47K:



    Series, 9.25K, all is good:



    Retaped with some tape from a donor cheap pickup. This thing is overwound enough and the windings loose enough that the coil wire is exposed in some spots and this could happen again fairly easily, won't happen now.




    A couple observations. I've seen it said by SD employees that the 78 doesn't have mismatched coils. As I've suspected by the descriptions of them, this is obviously not true. I unwound this one quite a bit, and the screw coil still measures quite a bit hotter than the slug coil. So much so I even waited for it to cool after handling and everything, still .4K hotter. Explains a lot.

    I was resisting the temptation to try it, and I didn't want to waste a set up strings, but I've wanted one for a long time, I've got a hunch it will match up really well with the El Diablo as a neck pickup. So I tell Steve I got it fixed and I'll get it back out to him ASAP and he tells me to keep it!

    LOL, HOLY HELL!!! I thought I was doing him a favor and he did me one. Soon will be going into the Kelly XLR, and, as far as I know, will be the first '78 used as a neck pickup. YAY!!!

    I hope this rambling nonsense helps someone who's killed a pickup. It's fixable as long as it's not the start side. It is VERY delicate work though. Nothing compared to terminating fiber, but yeah, be very, very careful.
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    Nice work. I don't have the patience to do that...LOL.

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    Great job, KI. You are the man. The man with the plan, and the patience.
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    Iz iz da man!

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    Very Cool Stuff! Now I'm going to go doink around with my broken pickups!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxplorer View Post
    Very Cool Stuff! Now I'm going to go doink around with my broken pickups!
    That's why I posted it, figured it would help someone.

    Didn't really take that long, you just have to be extremely careful. Altogether I was working on it for about 2 1/2 hours, another half hour and I'll have it repotted. The coils are really loosely wound, so I'm gonna give it another dip.

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    Very impressive work! My hands are too shaky to do that level of pickup work. Congratulations on getting back up and running.

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    Wow, nicely done sir!

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    Great work.

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    Cool. Let us know how it sounds. ::thumbsup::
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    Luckeeee!Cool score.

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    This thread should be a sticky! Although maybe with a little more detail on exactly what was done, so us idiots can follow it easier.

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    Really impressive work.

    But what's really impressive is the huge favor that you did for a bro. And the huge favor he did for you.

    So it shows that what goes around, comes around.

    KI and STEVE...great example for all of us!!
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    Vault material, surely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashurbanipal View Post
    Vault material, surely.
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    Nice Save!!!
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    Great work Izzo! I also have an XLR. Great guitar and mine rocks with a JB in the neck after taking out the stock Jackson pickups. Is your XLR purple like mine?

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    Nope, it's green, I wish it was purple, but I love it. I need to source an OFR, but then I'll wire it all up with the new pickups and post some pics. The parts explorer is still in front of it on the list though, need to finish that neck.

    Sorry it's not detailed enough for you Varg, but if you have any questions just ask, I'll do what I can. You've got a couple Customs you've destroyed (if I remember right) don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashurbanipal View Post
    Vault material, surely.
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    great KI, you have to at least try it in the bridge bro! Cmon you know you want to? it will sound great as a neck pup but since that one is a trem model it will not line up under the strings at the neck, no biggie to most like me but to some a major no no, dont know where you stand on that cosmetic stuff?

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