Bad Trader Alert

[ArtieToo]

My question is, should I name a name here or just let it go because nothing actually exchanged hands after weeks of what turns out were lies?

This is a bit of a tough question to answer, just because there is a certain amount of drama in this particular thread. But at the same time, its not like you're saying there "bad", just relating a true story as it happened. "They" then can answer the charge, and present their side.

If their side was as simple as: "Sorry . . . I screwed up." That would go a long way towards cutting them future slack. But at least, folks could decide for themselves whether or not to deal with that person.

[FretFire]

Great points there.

[JB_From_Hell]

I trade a lot, and do my best to stay outta this thread Scott, if you don't post somebody, it could be a future pain in the ass for another of us. If he's still an active member, you should post it.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

pots teh crap out of his name
ahahahahaahah

[Neeradj]

I'd like to know that name as well, please don't hesitate about posting a name like that unless you have very little proof, because it'll do all of us good. I've come to trust people on this forum and I just wouldn't want some guy to screw it up for all of us.

[Xeromus]

Scott, you should post his name so we can come to our own conclusions and be wary of dealing with him. Another member might get taken the same way.

[Zerberus]

....Another member might get taken the same way.

That´s exactly Scott´s point: Nobody got "Taken", nothing ever exchanged hands except the cash, which I assume was refunded. In essence, if anything Scott would have been in the "bad trader position", because the other guy sent the funds and THEN "problems" started, and therefore could have gone nuts had he not received his refund.

I´d say let it rest, keep the name, but remember it as well. Just in case

I find the "double post" about DHE and the Hot Rod deluxe much more disturbing as a potential customer. Will he back out after I´ve already payed him, as well? Seller´s Remorse is NOT a reason to back out of a deal, just like buyer´s Remorse is no reason not to pay for something

Kids these days, no morals, no sense of good and bad/right and wrong, no respect........But of course they never do ANYTHING wrong, it´s never their fault, and the world is such a bad place.... Now do you guys understand why I can´t stand EMO?

[take2]

Scott, if all he did was back out I would say don't name him BUT he did more than that, he sent false/untrue messages to you and strung you along maybe in hopes you would send the guitar based on the message that his mother had sent the money order. sorry but this smells of something that happened a while ago on here when some kid told another member that he had sent the money (or would) and in good faith the other guy sent the guitar. The kid used the excuse that the member he screwed shouldn't be upset because he makes a lot of money so he shouldn't miss the guitar. He posted under different names, etc, etc. Eventually the guy who was screwed got in touch with this kids parents only to find out that this kid had a history of stealing checks from his parents etc. Any way that kids name was never posted either - could this be him under a new name, I don't know but I would say be fair to those of us who havn't scerwed anyone and post the name - he can respond if he likes.
Sorry I don't remember either member's name involved in that last incident - maybe someone else does, it was a big thing in the off topic area.

[Jag513]

That´s exactly Scott´s point: Nobody got "Taken", nothing ever exchanged hands except the cash, which I assume was refunded. In essence, if anything Scott would have been in the "bad trader position", because the other guy sent the funds and THEN "problems" started, and therefore could have gone nuts had he not received his refund.

I´d say let it rest, keep the name, but remember it as well. Just in case

I find the "double post" about DHE and the Hot Rod deluxe much more disturbing as a potential customer. Will he back out after I´ve already payed him, as well? Seller´s Remorse is NOT a reason to back out of a deal, just like buyer´s Remorse is no reason not to pay for something

Kids these days, no morals, no sense of good and bad/right and wrong, no respect........But of course they never do ANYTHING wrong, it´s never their fault, and the world is such a bad place.... Now do you guys understand why I can´t stand EMO?

I agree with everything you said except for the last paragraph. I think that's an unfair generalization. Just because one person has a bad track record, don't immediately stereotype all kids. While I haven't done any trades on this forum yet, I can say, looking through the Good Trader Alert, there are other kids my age (NOTE! Younger than DHE) that have received tons of praises in that thread. And please don't bring emo into this. That just destroys so much credibility by relating this "trend" to emo.

[Scott_F]

I'll just say this, the kid never sent me the money, after his week of rants preceeded by his ignoring my inquirieis, then lies about it was sent... (and of course, the claim that his PC was taken over by a friend or brother or soemone that was credited with the rants) then as I stopped the deal, telling him I was no longer comfortable. That was it. At some point he came back with a line about "well, I have the money order in my hand, if you really want to not sell it to me..." blah blah blah.

I'll just say this. If you're dealing with someone under the age of 18, you might want to contact their parents first, even if it would be a long distance call to Canada. Or, you might request a reference on this forum by posting... " has anyone dealt with XXXXXXXX? "

[Zerberus]

.... I think that's an unfair generalization. Just because one person has a bad track record, don't immediately stereotype all kids.....

....Just as it is to assume that I don´t have MUUCH more experience with minors and am founding this on the postings of another.

I don´t feel that all kids are bad, but a VERY large portion of them thinks that they´re the ****, not realizing (or even trying to, no listening to any form of Rhyme or Reason) that at this point in their lives they only smell that way because they refuse to shower

A good portion of the blame also goes to the parents and to our society in General, though. But spreading blame doesn´t solve problems, doing something about them does...

Add btw, the "EMO Comment" was just a semi-joke at the end, because exactly those are the gist of quite a few of the EMO Vocals out there

[Dooogz]

I'll just say this. If you're dealing with someone under the age of 18, you might want to contact their parents first, even if it would be a long distance call to Canada. Or, you might request a reference on this forum by posting... " has anyone dealt with XXXXXXXX? "

Or check out the good traders page... to see if they are located on there..., to be fair... there are many under 18's who i wouldnt hesitate to deal with!! ok, i am under 18 myself, but that shouldnt retract ppl from the idea of trading with someone!! Id hate to see ppl listing "For sale, effects pedal, over 18's only!"

But i think Scott has a point! Surely thats what the good traders and bad traders pages are for!

[Jag513]

....Just as it is to assume that I don´t have MUUCH more experience with minors and am founding this on the postings of another.

A good portion of the blame also goes to the parents and to our society in General, though. But spreading blame doesn´t solve problems, doing something about them does...

Add btw, the "EMO Comment" was just a semi-joke at the end, because exactly those are the gist of quite a few of the EMO Vocals out there

You're right, I'm assuming a limited experience, and I shouldn't...but on this forum, the majority of young members who have done business with other forum members are on the Good Trader Alert Thread. And also considering that I have traded with many people, most of whom were under 18, and many through the internet, I just think it's unfair to generalize like that when it really is such a small percentage. Yes, there will probably be more younger kids who will cause problems, but it's still a fairly small percentage compared to the true people IMO.

And I kind of thought the emo comment was a joke, but still...seeing one of the threads really elucidated some stuff for me. Lo Wang started a thread in the Sound Room asking what emo and nu-metal were so that he could hate them. The way I see it, it's okay if you understand it and don't like it, but to not know what it is and have a pre-influenced negative bias is just wrong. FYI, I really don't care if people hate emo, since everyone has their tastes, it's just when they say crap about it that influences other people, even if they're joking, that pisses me off.

I don´t feel that all kids are bad, but a VERY large portion of them thinks that they´re the ****, not realizing (or even trying to, no listening to any form of Rhyme or Reason) that at this point in their lives they only smell that way because they refuse to shower

I'll agree with you there. There are a lot of people like that. But what can you do, eh? People will be idiots, but will grow up in time. Everyone's guilty of it though sometime. Even people who have grown up are guilty of it sometimes.

Scott, your suggestion to call parents of people under 18 is a good one though.

[Sly_D]

Hey Scott... I think the kid have been warned already... chances are he already read your post and will stop fooling around.

As for people bashing younger people, I personnally think youger people on this board are cooler, more open-minded and smarter than most people of my age and over. So please to anyone, stop generalizing.

Anyone who feels smarter just because they're older actually only shows how dumb they are.

[Imp]

amen, i've had half a dozen or so good trades on this forum!

if you're going to do anything, make the kid send the item or money first. that way, no problems?

tom

[Scott_F]

no problems. my point was under 18 and in canada. 'nuff said.

[FretFire]

under 18 and in canada

Hmmm, I had a somewhat similar encounter with somone that fit the same description.

[William Walstra]

Since they haven't posted my name...


Scott, I don't bull****, I tell it like it is. Kyle was in and out of all my **** for a while. Thankfully my Paypal and online banking pass' were different. With that aside, I'm glad you moved the thing. Too bad it didn't get here.


FretFire, I told you I procrastinated on it and asked for more info too late. I didn't deny it at all.


I've had good deals with others (STRATDELUXER97, theodie) had a little snag with John the first time, but it was sorted out.

[FretFire]

FretFire, I told you I procrastinated on it and asked for more info too late. I didn't deny it at all.

I realize that, my only complaint is that since you claimed it and had it on hold for 3 weeks or so, that's 3 weeks I didn't have the money I hoped to get by selling the item. I never said you denied it, but IMO it shouldn't have happened in the first place. All I can ask from someone in that situation is communication, let me know if you can't swing it so I can relist the item, no biggie . No hard feelings here, peace man.

[WITH FULL DISTORTION]

Ahh crapp
Dalastcaffeine ALMOST RIPPED ME OFF.
i didn´t had the money and the distortion pedla to trade with him... so... i asked him to wait... he sent a concentric pot to me and then. disappear with SOMEONE´S MONEY
ahahah and one week later i got my pedals that i supposed to trade with him
AHAHAHAHAHH HOLY CRAP. i´m lucky the pedal didn´t arrive to me in the correct day.
HAHAHAHAHAH
HAILS!