When Gibson was at their prime, what of species of Mahogany did they use?
Was it Honduran, sapelle, or African? Please talk amongst yourselves.
Old catalogues tend not to specify any exact source or species.
why should it matter every piece of wood was created different regardless of species.
Pick the guitar that sounds, looks, and feels right for you.....lumping guitars into generic stereotypes will not find you tonal nirvana
take it from one that builds guitars
Is this a troll thread?
For the record: I am not guitar-hunting.
old growth Honduras Mahogany.
If you've never owned guitars built with it and/or spent alot of time with guitars built with it, you wont understand the difference between other species that are mildly related, or given the mahogany name, and are not the same species, or woods that are new and cured artificially.
Call it snobbery or whatever, but its true...there are significant differences.
I'm an internet person. All we do is waste time evaluating things that have next-to-zero real world significance.
Remember, it's just a plank of wood. YOU have to find the music in it - The Telecaster Handbook
Within species, African Mahogany is nothing more than a B grade subsitiute for Old Growth Honduran that Gibson used in the Golden Age of guitars, which said Honduran is banned for import now cause its an endangered tree species due to overcutting.
New Mahogany has to be weight releievd, cause it is so heavy and generally of mediocre qulaity and tone. Honduran Mahogany is accepted by Luthiers to be one of the best if not *the tonewood for a large solid body instrument like a Les Paul.
No, I'm not saying it *should matter, only that it does matter.
By the way, IF I had deep pockets, I'd snatch THIS up and have a guitar built for me - another premium tonewood thats rare and protected/endangered ( KOA);
Last edited by MetalManiac; 06-10-2012 at 02:39 PM.
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...okay, I'm not rich.
that is indeed a nice-looking piece of wood.
OP, if you want to get a better idea of woods and eras, what i would recommend is to try and find an experienced builder/carpenter/cabinetmaker with an interest in music and the guitar; guys like this can give you info you wouldn't believe.
wish i could help, but i'm closer to your level of knowledge about this than that of the weathered old rock dogs.
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It was refreshing to see Australians abroad, sober. I almost didn't recognise them.
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When this forum talks about getting wood, we're usually thinking of flamed maple.
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I reckon I might send Lizzie a bill for back rent. The old girl's family have been living in my bloody castle for the last 500 years.
Honduran mahogany was used for all sorts of stuff, not just guitars. It was logged without much restraint for centuries. Now, a huge percentage of the old trees in their native locations are gone. What you see most of the time now is farm grown trees from non-native locations (such as Asia), cut too early and aged too quickly before being used.
Confusing things more, "mahogany" is a family of woods, not specifically the American genus. Hence the importance of the distinction between "mahogany," "Honduras mahogany," "African mahogany," or whatever else. Gibson dropped the "Honduras" from their spec. listings in recent years. They just call it "mahogany" on most guitars, as do many other low and mid level guitar makers. My guess is that Gibson changed mahogany sources, so they can no longer call their mahogany Honduran.
That said, tons of logging had been done before Gibson built their classic solid bodies, so it isn't like they were using prime wood. It's also not necessarily true that "better quality lumber" equals "better tonal quality." Being good wood for furniture does not necessarily make something a "musical" wood. Each piece of wood is different. Play many antique guitars, and you'll hear that they are inconsistent...and many of them are not that great sounding. Same with factory-made guitars today. They vary a lot one to the next. It all comes down to individual planks IMO.
The way I see it, the best way to ensure a good sounding hunk of wood is to go to a hardwoods shop and tap on the boards. You'll find variation, even on different boards that may have come from the same tree, and even in different spots on the same board. You or I probably cannot hear it like a professional luthier, but we can easily tell which individual boards are more "musical" than others...weed out the "duds." That's likely something Gibson did not even do when they were making their classic electrics in the '50's and '60's. Maybe; I don't know.