JTM45 still practical ?

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Guys, i know there are many members here that love the allmighty JTM45 . . .


. . . but there is no master volume on that monster.


So, my question is : for how many people here, is the Marshall JTM45 still a practical amp ?
To get that sweet tone, you pretty much have to crank a 30watt KT66 to ten.
(...some would say the best sounding Marshall ever made !)

I do not gig . . . but i do jam with friends every now and again.

These days everyone is jumping on the 'lil low-power'ed amp band wagon.
Is there still a place for the very 1st Marshall model ?

Thanx.

[SirJackdeFuzz]

[Agileguy_101]

Despite everything you've heard, these amps don't always sound best at 10. In my experience, it's usually around 6-7 in my experience.

I dunno man, I play my 50W Bassman through a gigantic 2x12 around that volume all the time. Just do it!

[stevie_bees]

Despite everything you've heard, these amps don't always sound best at 10. In my experience, it's usually around 6-7 in my experience.

I dunno man, I play my 50W Bassman through a gigantic 2x12 around that volume all the time. Just do it!

That's pretty much where I set mine, and I put a Blackstar HT-Dual in front to get any increasing level of dirt that I need.

[Stratman]

Jump channels and balance for the tone you want.

Mine is more than loud enough between 4 ~ 6 (treble & normal)

I do use GEC KT-66 OEM tubes bias at 38

[the guy who invented fire]

I gig good size bars and clubs with a 6 piece band and use a 62 Fender Deluxe...18 ish watts of 6V6 power with a single 12 in an open back cab...I almost never make it past 3 on the volume knob...

I LOVE JTM-45's but IMO..no, they are not practical.

[Gypsyblue]

I gig good size bars and clubs with a 6 piece band and use a 62 Fender Deluxe...18 ish watts of 6V6 power with a single 12 in an open back cab...I almost never make it past 3 on the volume knob...

I LOVE JTM-45's but IMO..no, they are not practical.

Gotta agree. Anything over 25 watts is to much for most club gigs and forces you to use pedals for distortion because you can't turn the amp up enough for it to generate any natural tube overdrive.

When you hit the big time you can crank up your 50 and 100 watters for those big stadium shows...but until then, 20 watts is about right for most bar gigs, IMO.

[the guy who invented fire]

Gotta agree. Anything over 25 watts is to much for most club gigs and forces you to use pedals for distortion because you can't turn the amp up enough for it to generate any natural tube overdrive.

When you hit the big time you can crank up your 50 and 100 watters for those big stadium shows...but until then, 20 watts is about right for most bar gigs, IMO.

Heck, even with the Deluxe in a club I still have to keep an OD of some kind around most of the time...I don't have to dial in a lot of grit but a little helps with sustain and getting a big nasty chord sound when needed.

I'd love to be able to just set the Deluxe on about 7 and just plug in but no dice...

[STRATDELUXER97]

I gig good size bars and clubs with a 6 piece band and use a 62 Fender Deluxe...18 ish watts of 6V6 power with a single 12 in an open back cab...I almost never make it past 3 on the volume knob...

I LOVE JTM-45's but IMO..no, they are not practical.

I have been using my JMP 50 watter into a 2x12 cab and some nice pedals for years and always get great tone...I don't run the volume up too high on the amp...It's doable if a guy knows how to get the tone and things setup right..

[the guy who invented fire]

I have been using my JMP 50 watter into a 2x12 cab and some nice pedals for years and always get great tone...I don't run the volume up too high on the amp...It's doable if a guy knows how to get the tone and things setup right..

Sure but I don't like having to rely on pedals for the core of my tone...I did that for a long time but that's just not the way I want to do it these days.

A 50 watt amp set clean and used as a canvas for a distortion pedal is not the same to me as a 20 watt amp set on the verge of breakup and hit with an OD pedal with the volume on the pedal jacked up for a boost...to me the latter simply works better.

The thing to remember in all this is that there is no right or wrong...if it works for you then roll with it however cranking a 50 watt, non master amp ion most clubs will get you in a crack with the sound man and likely clear the 50+ feet in front of the stage.

[STRATDELUXER97]

Sure but I don't like having to rely on pedals for the core of my tone...I did that for a long time but that's just not the way I want to do it these days.

A 50 watt amp set clean and used as a canvas for a distortion pedal is not the same to me as a 20 watt amp set on the verge of breakup and hit with an OD pedal with the volume on the pedal jacked up for a boost...to me the latter simply works better.

The thing to remember in all this is that there is no right or wrong.

Exactly and what works for me,may not work for you...Totally agree! Not to be a smarta$$ but I don't have any issues getting great tone...I've been doing this a long time and it comes pretty easy for me! ;o)

I'm no louder with the 50 watt head than with any other setup..We have to get above the drummer normally anyway(stage volume)...Lol

[zzmoore]

Guys, i know there are many members here that love the allmighty JTM45 . . .


. . . but there is no master volume on that monster.


So, my question is : for how many people here, is the Marshall JTM45 still a practical amp ?
To get that sweet tone, you pretty much have to crank a 30watt KT66 to ten.
(...some would say the best sounding Marshall ever made !)

I do not gig . . . but i do jam with friends every now and again.

These days everyone is jumping on the 'lil low-power'ed amp band wagon.
Is there still a place for the very 1st Marshall model ?

Thanx.

You need to explore the volume knob on your guitar.
But yeah, things have "changed". In 1964, you could barely carry the singer with the available PA. Now you can mic a 2 watt amp to 20 thousand people.
There will always be a trade-off when you turn a knob, but a happy compromise can usually be found. Amps are tools of the trade. No carpenter has just ONE of anything. Amps are more expensive than hammers, to be sure. But you can buy some great low powered gear these days. Is it this forum that has an Ibanez post.?
Here is another.
best
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/sho....php?t=1105940

[SirJackdeFuzz]

You need to explore the volume knob on your guitar.
But yeah, things have "changed". In 1964, you could barely carry the singer with the available PA. Now you can mic a 2 watt amp to 20 thousand people.
There will always be a trade-off when you turn a knob, but a happy compromise can usually be found. Amps are tools of the trade. No carpenter has just ONE of anything. Amps are more expensive than hammers, to be sure. But you can buy some great low powered gear these days. Is it this forum that has an Ibanez post.?
Here is another.
best
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/sho....php?t=1105940

Funny that you should mention the Ibanez 15W amp.
Just saw the smaller 5watt version of that amp in my local store today.

[Gypsyblue]

I've been able to get away with turning my Princeton Reverb up to at least 6. I usually start the evening lower - maybe 4 or 5. By the end of the night it's on at least 6. I did a quiet gig last week where I could only turn it up to 3 and that was tough. I thought I'd only be playing clean rhythm but they surprised me with a solo spot and my tone was so twinkly clean I really had to work for some sustain. I wish I'd brought my TS808.

[the guy who invented fire]

I've been able to get away with turning my Princeton Reverb up to at least 6. I usually start the evening lower - maybe 4 or 5. By the end of the night it's on at least 6. I did a quiet gig last week where I could only turn it up to 3 and that was tough. I thought I'd only be playing clean rhythm but they surprised me with a solo spot and my tone was so twinkly clean I really had to work for some sustain. I wish I'd brought my TS808.

That's why I just keep an OD handy...

Bigger places and with a smaller band I can turn up a bit more but most often I gig with a 6 piece band so making room for everything and not killing the folks up front means keeping things peeled back a little.

[crusty philtrum]

The trick to using non master volume amps is simple .... you need to own three amps ... one small, one medium, and one high wattage unit. Then you select the amp for the gig at hand, or maybe take two.

I worked this out as a teenager in the early '70s before there were any master volume amps, and the theory still holds up for me today as i don't use amps with master volume controls. I figured if an amp sounded great with the volume somewhere between 4 and 7, i had a limited useable volume range to get a good sound, and of course that volume could be too much or too little for certain gigs or applications. It was only a small step to realising that i needed a few amps of different sizes so that I would always be able to get a good and useable sound regardless of the venue size, provided i picked the right amp for the job.

[the guy who invented fire]

The trick to using non master volume amps is simple .... you need to own three amps ... one small, one medium, and one high wattage unit. Then you select the amp for the gig at hand, or maybe take two.

I worked this out as a teenager in the early '70s before there were any master volume amps, and the theory still holds up for me today as i don't use amps with master volume controls. I figured if an amp sounded great with the volume somewhere between 4 and 7, i had a limited useable volume range to get a good sound, and of course that volume could be too much or too little for certain gigs or applications. It was only a small step to realising that i needed a few amps of different sizes so that I would always be able to get a good and useable sound regardless of the venue size, provided i picked the right amp for the job.

A selection of amps is a GREAT thing if you can do it...

I keep several amps on hand (all non master) and use them depending on venue...small places is my Deluxe bigger places is my Deluxe and 2x12 Super together big places or outdoor gigs get the Twin Reverb!

[Bludave]

The trick to using non master volume amps is simple .... you need to own three amps ... one small, one medium, and one high wattage unit. Then you select the amp for the gig at hand, or maybe take two.

I worked this out as a teenager in the early '70s before there were any master volume amps, and the theory still holds up for me today as i don't use amps with master volume controls. I figured if an amp sounded great with the volume somewhere between 4 and 7, i had a limited useable volume range to get a good sound, and of course that volume could be too much or too little for certain gigs or applications. It was only a small step to realising that i needed a few amps of different sizes so that I would always be able to get a good and useable sound regardless of the venue size, provided i picked the right amp for the job.

Amen. I use a Deluxe Reverb mostly(due to the size of the clubs) but outside gigs or larger rooms I have a Marshall 900 which works well (this has a master) I also have a Bogner Shiva & a Komet 60. I have not used the Komet at a gig yet (too loud) but I am dying to! Its the most articulate amp I have ever plugged into

[STRATDELUXER97]

Amen. I use a Deluxe Reverb mostly(due to the size of the clubs) but outside gigs or larger rooms I have a Marshall 900 which works well (this has a master) I also have a Bogner Shiva & a Komet 60. I have not used the Komet at a gig yet (too loud) but I am dying to! Its the most articulate amp I have ever plugged into

The Komet is just nothing shy of an awesome amp Dave!

[xxxplorer]

I like this way of thinking. Keep the tools themselves simple, but know the limitations and have at least one to cover any gig situation.