need a tone pot, but not drilling

[rumblebox]

i want a tone pot, but i'm not sacrificing independent volumes on my horizons.

so i had considered concentric pots, but i dont want to spoil the look with big ass metal knobs. so i'm keeping the independent volumes and installing a tone pot directly into the BACK PLATE with no knob so i dont hit it while playing. call me crazy. i call it making **** work.

i'll post pics after work when i'm done.

[FretFire]

Sorry, but I don't get the logic. I'd assume you would want a tone pot to adjust it on the fly while playing... but how do you do that when it's on the back? You can get small knobs for concentric pots.

http://guitarpartsresource.com/guita...stackknobs.htm

One example:


Or, use a push/pull pot that's volume in one position and tone in the other?

[rumblebox]

i almost never adjust tone pots on the fly. if i do, i'll just pick up the les paul. but i want them there as a just in case, and it sounds better with a tone circuit instead of simply using 250k pots or 470k resistors.

plus i have to have knobs with numbers.

[ItsaBass]

If it's a guitar with a floating pick guard, you've got some options. Roller knobs, for one.

[rumblebox]

If it's a guitar with a floating pick guard, you've got some options. Roller knobs, for one.

i had thought of that, but they're rear routed. i had even thought about putting a spot for a roller knob parallel to the blade switch.

i normally would drill away, but the spots for the knobs are counter-sunk. i'd have to refinish the guitar afterwards.

[ItsaBass]

There is no routing if you have a floating guard. The rollers go under the guard. There is a trick setup for that, but I forgot the name of the company that makes it.

[StratFreak]

Sorry, but I don't get the logic. I'd assume you would want a tone pot to adjust it on the fly while playing... but how do you do that when it's on the back? You can get small knobs for concentric pots.

http://guitarpartsresource.com/guita...stackknobs.htm

One example:


Or, use a push/pull pot that's volume in one position and tone in the other?

The push/pull idea is the coolest and most logical idea that i would definitely go with!

[ItsaBass]

The push pull to turn a volume into a tone is simply not worth the trouble when you think about how it would be to use the thing. It won't "save your settings" when you click from one to the other. You want to adjust your tone? You need to be at full volume. Want to adjust your volume? You need to be at full tone. Makes it pretty useless.

[FretFire]

The push pull to turn a volume into a tone is simply not worth the trouble when you think about how it would be to use the thing. It won't "save your settings" when you click from one to the other. You want to adjust your tone? You need to be at full volume. Want to adjust your volume? You need to be at full tone. Makes it pretty useless.

If he doesn't tweak the tone knob on the fly at all, I'm guessing the volume knob stays at 10 most of the time too

Plus, if I went that route I'd probably wire it so that one knob would be bridge volume/neck tone, and the other would be neck volume/bridge tone. It'd be a pain to wire, but that way you could use both knobs. e.g., when on the neck pickup you could use your neck volume pot, and pull the bridge volume pot so that it was in "neck tone" mode. Both knobs would be controlling the neck pickup. The weak link here is your middle position, obviously.

[ItsaBass]

Since he requires independent volume controls, he is obviously using them. If not, that requirement doesn't make sense. If his volume knob stays on 10 all the time, then he doesn't even need volume pots. Problem solved. Just run without a volume control. If a kill switch is desired, make it from a push pull.

That crossed volume tone thing sounds like a horrible setup to me. It's fun to come up with ****, but think about actually using it. It would piss me off to no end, and I'd probably end up smashing the guitar. LOL.

As for spoiling the look with big-ass metal knobs, in the other thread on this issue, there were some reasonable alternatives to the big metal knobs.

[FretFire]

I'm just listing a bunch of options, I never said any of them were great I don't see much sense in putting a tone control in if it's on the back of the guitar, but that's just me.

[StratFreak]

I like FretFire's ideas the most, i know for my guitar the volume is never less then 10, making that knob a tone would be cool too.

[tonello]

I think the concentric pot will work the best. The thing for me is comfort. I wouldn't want a pot poking me in the thigh while I'm playing. it doesn't seem comfortable to me. I'd just do the concentric and be done with it.

[misterwhizzy]

Or, use a push/pull pot that's volume in one position and tone in the other?

I don't think this will work. All the push-pull pots I've ever worked with are a single pot with a DPDT switch built onto the back of it. If you turn the knob when it's up or down, it makes no difference.

I suppose you could wire it up so that it switches between the two, but that wiring would just have a single value set. That way, you could switch volume or tone, but not both. If you turned it to 2 while down and pulled it up, you could immediately have the tone go to 2 and the volume go to 10, but I think the concentric pot idea is a LOT better.

[rumblebox]

I'm happy with the results. With my posture, they don't interfere with my body.




Finally, a good use for a battery box. Lol

[rumblebox]

And the push pull idea wont work for me, since i rarely have both volumes on 10 at the same time.

[CTN]

that is not something I would do. that thing would dig into my side or my hips, or worse still, my man parts.

[DrNewcenstein]

Maybe he's a hunchback? Or playing crabcore/slouchcore/bentoverallthetimecore?

Either way, the numbers on the knobs are misleading at best, so "needing" them is unimaginable to me. Aside from the fact you don't even have the little metal tabs under them to know exactly where a given number is pointing.

Lastly, with the type of knobs you're using, the recesses are obscured, so a refin is optional.

And as an added bonus: it's just an ESPee.

[rumblebox]

They're called thumb cutters. I don't need them, because i put 10 right at the top. I'll try it out for a few weeks, and if it bugs me I'll drill.

[rumblebox]

Maybe he's a hunchback? Or playing crabcore/slouchcore/bentoverallthetimecore?

Either way, the numbers on the knobs are misleading at best, so "needing" them is unimaginable to me. Aside from the fact you don't even have the little metal tabs under them to know exactly where a given number is pointing.

Lastly, with the type of knobs you're using, the recesses are obscured, so a refin is optional.

And as an added bonus: it's just an ESPee.

It's an LTD.........which has a better bang/buck ratio than any other brand, including jackson.