Mark David Chapman

[80's_Metal]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/m...e-hearing.html

up for parole hearing again.

[MetalManiac]

A Fruitcake like that doesnt belong in Prison..he belongs in a Psycho Ward. Another nice failure of our bogus system to place insane people in jails.

[Mr 9finger]

Nice to see that someone is drunk again.....

[MetalManiac]

Nice to see that someone is drunk again.....

I can't even see anything you are writing, you are on my ignore list, and I am not drunk at all.

[Gearjoneser]

Don't even write his name. He's the man who's name must never be mentioned.

He robbed the world of one of the greats, and for that, he must rot away.

[ItsaBass]

Cold-blooded murder, shooting someone in the back for absolutely no good reason... Sorry, but as screwed up as I think our entire prison/punishment system is, and as liberal as I am on that sort of thing, I'm not a complete fool. In my mind, it really doesn't get any worse than shooting an innocent person in the back just because you feel like it. This is someone who I would never trust with freedom of movement. I'm all for treatment for the guy, but not for letting him out.

[Gearjoneser]

I have no mercy for a person who would do this.

On Monday, December 8, 1980, Chapman bought a copy of The Catcher in the Rye from a New York book store, in which he wrote "This is my statement" and signed it "Holden Caulfield", the name of the protagonist of the novel. He then spent most of the day near the entrance to The Dakota apartment building where Lennon and Yoko Ono lived, talking to other fans and the doorman. Early in the morning, a distracted Chapman missed seeing Lennon step out of a cab and enter the Dakota building. Late in the morning, Chapman met Lennon's housekeeper, who had just taken their five-year-old son Sean for a walk. Chapman reached in front of the housekeeper to shake Sean's hand and said that he was a beautiful boy, quoting Lennon's song "Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy)".

Around 5:00 pm, Lennon and Ono left The Dakota for a recording session at Record Plant Studios. As they walked toward their limousine on the curb, Chapman shook hands with Lennon and held out a copy of Lennon's new album, Double Fantasy, for him to sign.[13] Photographer Paul Goresh was present when Lennon signed Chapman's album and took a photo of the event.[14] Chapman reported that, "At that point my big part won and I wanted to go back to my hotel, but I couldn't. I waited until he came back. He knew where the ducks went in winter, and I needed to know this" (a reference to The Catcher in the Rye because it is what Holden wonders throughout the story).

Around 10:49 pm, the Lennons' limousine returned to the Dakota. At the curb, Lennon and Ono got out, passed by Chapman and walked toward the archway entrance of the building's courtyard. From the street behind them, Chapman fired five hollow point bullets from a .38 special revolver, four of which hit Lennon in the back and left shoulder. The death certificate[15] officially gives the following description of the wounds and cause of death: "Multiple gunshot wounds of left shoulder and chest; Left lung and left subclavian artery; External and internal hemorrhage. Shock."

[DrNewcenstein]

Let him out. He was only a danger to Lennon, not to the general populace. He's in prison to keep Lennon fans from killing him, so let him out.

And why is it important for these people to always have their full name or "3 names" stated?
Mark David Chapman
John Wayne Gacy
Ted "Theodore" Bundy
Ted "Theodore" Kazinsky

I mean, why? I don't care what their full name is. John Gacy had nothing to do with John Wayne, so why try to make that connection verbally?
Everyone knows "Ted" is short for "Theodore", and few really care, so why bother repeating it?

It's almost as annoying as the people who know Jake E. Lee's real surname is Williams always typing "Jakey Lee Williams". I mean, WTF?

[MetalManiac]

you guys dont get the big picture./ If he had been commited , and he should of been, becasue he was stark raving mad, after 30 years now, he might have been rehabiliated, and ready to live the rest of his life out the best he can, at least as no futher threat to society . I really dont care who someone kills..by that I mean just cause they are rich or famous doesnt make it any more significant to me than killing anyone else. We should all be equal under the eyes of the law.
The system is supposed to incarcerate the criminally insane in Mental institutions, and rehabilitate them if at all possible.
Excuse me, but killing someone cause they need to know where the ducks are in Winter is NOT the same as killing someone in a robberry .
The system failed..again. Doesnt surprise me, nor does the typical lack of understanding or the lynch mob justice mentality of you henchmen here.
And Newsense..the middel name is given to distance the infamous as far as possible from other people who might share simialr names.

[ItsaBass]

Ted "Theodore" Bundy
Ted "Theodore" Kazinsky

I can't say I've ever seen or heard those ones before your post! I always hear them as "Ted Bundy" and "Ted Kaczynski."

[Agileguy_101]

Let him out. He was only a danger to Lennon, not to the general populace. He's in prison to keep Lennon fans from killing him, so let him out.

+1

He doesn't deserve special treatment just because he killed Lennon as opposed to anybody else.

[DrNewcenstein]

you guys dont get the big picture./ If he had been commited , and he should of been, becasue he was stark raving mad, after 30 years now, he might have been rehabiliated, and ready to live the rest of his life out the best he can, at least as no futher threat to society . I really dont care who someone kills..by that I mean just cause they are rich or famous doesnt make it any more significant to me than killing anyone else. We should all be equal under the eyes of the law.
The system is supposed to incarcerate the criminally insane in Mental institutions, and rehabilitate them if at all possible.
Excuse me, but killing someone cause they need to know where the ducks are in Winter is NOT the same as killing someone in a robberry .
The system failed..again. Doesnt surprise me, nor does the typical lack of understanding or the lynch mob justice mentality of you henchmen here.
And Newsense..the middel name is given to distance the infamous as far as possible from other people who might share simialr names.

So does that also apply to Yngwie J Malmsteen?


And I agree that killing someone famous shouldn't make you a celebrity, or grant you special treatment regarding your incarceration. I also don't believe in saying someone famous was "assassinated" while the Average Joe simply gets murdered. Murder is murder. JFK was murdered. MLK Jr was murdered. Lincoln was murdered. Lennon was murdered.

Rehab is for quitters. The criminally insane should be eliminated permanently. Why waste yet more of my tax dollars on trying to "fix" them? They're not "broken", they're operating exactly as they are supposed to. However, with their assigned tasks completed, they are useless, and should be disposed of.

[LesStrat]

[JohnJohn]

Has he shown any remorse for his crime?
If not then, to me anyway, there could be a chance of him repeating his crime with another celebrity.

I would also wonder about his safety and the concerns of reprisal or someone looking to make a name for themselves as the person who assassinated Lennon's killer.

[richard parker]

This was a terrible crime. The issue of whether he is likely to commit a similar crime doesn't come into it. Some things are beyond forgiveness and it matters not at all that his victim was a celebrity. If he's nuts he should he stay in prison forever. If he's not, he should stay in prison forever.

[Reload in 5]

Some things are beyond forgiveness

Well nothing is beyond forgiveness, but that has little to do with whether or not he should stay in prison.

I do understand the stance that mentally ill people should be treated and released, if / when they are under treatment they are no longer a threat. I do not necessarily agree with it all the time.
What I don't agree with is the thinking that they should have ZERO responsibility for their crime. Also for offenders that are violent when off their meds, how do we as a society ensure they never stop taking their medication?
People want to take the stance that "the system" has failed some of these people (maybe they slipped through the cracks and never got the treatment they needed when younger) but we cant be so caught up in that and then fail someone else by allowing that person to be in the general public and make the decision to stop taking their meds and hurt someone else.

Having said that, I feel caught in the middle of the situation. There is no good answer that I can come up with. Neither option feels right to me.

[JohnJohn]

Well nothing is beyond forgiveness, but that has little to do with whether or not he should stay in prison.

I do understand the stance that mentally ill people should be treated and released, if / when they are under treatment they are no longer a threat. I do not necessarily agree with it all the time.
What I don't agree with is the thinking that they should have ZERO responsibility for their crime. Also for offenders that are violent when off their meds, how do we as a society ensure they never stop taking their medication?
People want to take the stance that "the system" has failed some of these people (maybe they slipped through the cracks and never got the treatment they needed when younger) but we cant be so caught up in that and then fail someone else by allowing that person to be in the general public and make the decision to stop taking their meds and hurt someone else.

Having said that, I feel caught in the middle of the situation. There is no good answer that I can come up with. Neither option feels right to me.

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[newking70]

Has he shown any remorse for his crime or that he can seperate fantasy from reality with his feelings for Jody Foster?

i think you're thinking about reagan's would be assassin, john hinckley.

[JohnJohn]

i think you're thinking about reagan's would be assassin, john hinckley.

You're right, I stand corrected.

[Bones]

If he is paroled, fine. It's not my decision. If I was him I might want to stay locked up for fear of being the victim of a revenge killing.