Peter Green sound through wiring?

[gripweed]

Is it possible to get the Peter Green *out of phase* sound through wiring as opposed to turning the magnets or pickups around?

[dr.barlo]

Yes, but you'd have to get 4c-wires b/c o/w the hot would be the braid wire.

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[Breogan]

Yes, many people claim that the magnet reversing it is diffeent than the wiring reversing but there isn't any physic reason to think that's true. Reversing the wiring you'll get the same tone.

[mrid]

Yes, many people claim that the magnet reversing it is diffeent than the wiring reversing but there isn't any physic reason to think that's true. Reversing the wiring you'll get the same tone.

I have done it both ways (magnetically and electrically), and the only way I got the Peter Green sound was flipping the magnet.

[Breogan]

I have done it both ways (magnetically and electrically), and the only way I got the Peter Green sound was flipping the magnet.

Reversing the magnet and the wiring gets the same thing which is reversing the phase of the signal.

Could you explain the differences between the two?

[gripweed]

How about using some sort of switch to switch between the two sounds?

[Rich_S]

If you have 4-conductor wiring on one or the other of your pickups, try the wiring first to see if you like it. It's easier.

Although logic says a phase reversal by either magnetic or electrical means should sound the same, many say they can hear a difference. Another part of the Peter Green sound may be that he had the neck pu turned around, putting the adjustable pole pieces AWAY from the neck. That may have something to do with it, when you get down into the fine-tweakablilty.

"Fine-tweakablilty"; I don't recall ever reading that term in my undergrad E.E. fields textbook.

[mrid]

Reversing the magnet and the wiring gets the same thing which is reversing the phase of the signal.

Could you explain the differences between the two?

I realize that it sounds ludicrous, but I know what I've heard. With the flipped magnet I could get that deadened honk tone that's synonymous with PG. By swapping the hot and ground wires on one of the pickups (both Seymour Duncan, btw, so I did correctly wire it "incorrectly" ) I got a pseudo-stratty sound, but not as sweet and with a slight honk.

I did try turning the pickup around as mentioned above, and I really didn't notice much of a difference.

NOTE: This was done on the same guitar, same pots, etc...

[Jeffrec]

Yes, but you'd have to get 4c-wires b/c o/w the hot would be the braid wire.

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My Hamer Archtop came with the JB hot & ground wires switched. The effect was the same as flipping the magnet.

[Benjy_26]

Reversing the magnet and the wiring gets the same thing which is reversing the phase of the signal.

Could you explain the differences between the two?

The difference is that one is magnetic phase and the other is electrical phase.

Not a big difference, but it's there.

[dr.barlo]

I have the PG mod with my antiquities, having 2-c wires. Thus, I had to flip the magnet. And it nailed the "Need your love so bad" tone right away. On the other hand, when I tried it with 2 PGs by using the green (instead of the black) wire for hot on the neck pickup, the result was not the same. I didn't like it and consequently "corrected" the "incorrect" wiring.

But I am not saying that there is a difference between electric, and magnetic out of phase. I think due to laws of physics it should be the same. But in my case with PGs the tone wasn't close enough for Greeney's tone. Maybe it is the magnets, maybe it is something else I dunno.

I always suspected that reversing the magnet has an overall impact on the magnetic field in which the strings vibrate. That is doing electric out of phase does not temper at all with the magnetic field of the original setup. Yet reversing the magnet could. Maybe that's it! ???

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