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    Imagine if most people were color blind. Now, replace "color" with "pitch".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demanic View Post
    Imagine if most people were color blind. Now, replace "color" with "pitch".

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    That's called " Tone Deaf " isn't it ?

    There's a few singers that probably have perfect pitch.

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    Right. But remember the bell curve. Perfect pitch and tone deaf reside on the opposite ends of the curve.

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    Imagine if most people were color blind.
    A walk through any US shopping mall would seem to indicate that most people are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg27 View Post
    A walk through any US shopping mall would seem to indicate that most people are!
    I think that what you are observing is more an indication of the inability to think for one's self, rather than the physical ability to perceive different shades of color. But I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenVulture View Post
    That's called " Tone Deaf " isn't it ?

    There's a few singers that probably have perfect pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demanic View Post
    I think that what you are observing is more an indication of the inability to think for one's self, rather than the physical ability to perceive different shades of color. But I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    Thing is, it isn't about learning how each note sounds. They *know* how each note sounds. I've seen it at a pretty young age, too, around parents that weren't particularly musical. I think it is an anomaly, really. Like a part of their brain that is switched on that isn't for most people. There are people who can look at huge columns of numbers and recite them all back in order. Just a strange thing. The rest of the world's musicians learn the traditional way- using pattern recognition and relative pitch.
    I see what you mean. It requires talent and a certain kind of mind. Someone still had to teach them the chomatic scale though! So it does require some sort of post birth learning.

    I was talking about people with average music talent acquiring perfect pitch as an adult. I think it would be possible to learn the sound of some of the notes and also really develop relative pitch to the point where they can recognize all the notes.

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    ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    Thing is, it isn't about learning how each note sounds. They *know* how each note sounds. I've seen it at a pretty young age, too, around parents that weren't particularly musical. I think it is an anomaly, really. Like a part of their brain that is switched on that isn't for most people. There are people who can look at huge columns of numbers and recite them all back in order. Just a strange thing. The rest of the world's musicians learn the traditional way- using pattern recognition and relative pitch.
    I agree. I think perfect pitch isn't just a matter of presision, it's a qualitative difference in the way people hear. Many trained musicians may become able to recognize an E or an A. Someone with perfect pitch is able to tell if that E is a few cents sharp or flat- to them, it's a different color.

    Sometimes things considered "gifts" are a mixed blessing at best. Don't have perfect pitch myself, but I'm sensitive to dissonance. Out-of-tune playing bothers me in a pretty visceral way. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to someone with perfect pitch.

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    Gifts are indeed in the eye, or ear etc. of the beholder. To those so possessed of them, it is a matter of adapting, or not. I think that I could learn to live with a super human ability. But maybe not.

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    Example: X-ray vision. I guarantee you I would forever be looking at the wrong things. And isn't "X-ray" a misnomer? You would expect something vastly better than X-ray imaging, wouldn't you?
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    Superman learned to deal with it.

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    Also, the 5 or so people I've known with perfect pitch have all happened to be good musicians. If it were purely genetic, you'd come across non musicians with that ability or someone who can only play louie louie, but you don't. So there must be some skill development phase.
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    Well, you still have to learn the technical facility to play. Someone who can remember columns of numbers is probably going to get into the financial or scientific world, I am sure. They still have to learn basic skills in those fields, but with good parenting and other guidance, they will be pushed into something that uses their particular skill.

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    I've always wondered if perfect pitch was really as big a benefit as it's made out to be. You learn a song in E, but you're jamming with a new singer who needs everyone to tune to Eb. Uh-oh. You're jamming with a guy on a piano . . . And the piano is tuned a quarter note off pitch. Uh-oh. These scenarios are just a matter of minor retuning for the rest of us, but to the guy with perfect pitch it's like hearing a whole new song.
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    The first two creeps I think of when I see the phrase perfect pitch. I've never met them, but their images over the years scream socially awkward.
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    no. i think Yngwie does though.
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