Have You Ever Cheated?

[exnihilo]

I still contend that you're all either liars or not cave men.

:6:

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[big_black]

Actually, Scott, that is why most Christians live a moral life. That, and a desire to please the Father. Contrary to popular belief, it is not about "rewards," but about righteous living.

...except for that Heaven and Hell thing, eternal damnation, burning in a lake of fire, etc.

No punishment/reward system there...

It's only truly moral if you are acting on your own accord, not by fear of Judgement.

[Ken]

...except for that Heaven and Hell thing, eternal damnation, burning in a lake of fire, etc.

No punishment/reward system there...

It's only truly moral if you are acting on your own accord, not by fear of Judgement.

Not now, not in this thread. Let it go or take it to PM.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=92630

[big_black]

Not now, not in this thread. Let it go or take it to PM.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=92630

I'm just trying to keep things honest and true.

[davedvdy]

Not now, not in this thread. Let it go or take it to PM.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=92630

You quoted a thread about keeping things respectful. What did Big Black say that was disrespectful? I am a Christian myself, and I have a hard time understanding that part of it also.

[stonabus]

everyone poops

[big_black]

everyone poops

...but not all of us are brown.

[Jonny R]

I'm just trying to keep things honest and true.

LOL

[Pierre]

Never, but sometimes the left hand gets jealous. That's about as bad as it gets.




I hope no one made the joke in the 4 pages before. Either way I never was in a relationship so nope.

[Forbes]

At age 19 you've barely been afforded the oppurtunity to be either.



Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you cast such judgement upon them. There are alot of Cats on here that I may not agree with but I hold my tongue because it would be arrogant of me to think that all of my experiences in life which led me to the conclusions I have come to are the same as them.

Especially someone like JOLLY.

I may be young but i know who i am.

I wasn't trying to cast judgement, all i said was that i can't understand that mindset. Jolly was the first one to 'judge' that by calling everyone who hasn't owned up to cheating a liar or not a 'real man'. In most cases i agree that its arrogant and wrong to cast judgement on other peoples descions, but i feel pretty strongly about the concept of it taking a 'real man' to cheat on someone.

[Kivitel]

Two words: OPEN RELATIONSHIP

[Ken]

You quoted a thread about keeping things respectful. What did Big Black say that was disrespectful? I am a Christian myself, and I have a hard time understanding that part of it also.

Just seemed like the discussion was toeing a line...a little pot stirring.


Big_black (and most everyone else here) is 100% cool by me.

[BigAlTheBird]

I'm still laughing at Jolly's "suck on command" line.

I don't think it takes a real man to cheat. I also don't think that all cheaters are scum. I suppose that if you're in a really ****ty relationship, I can see the temptation to cheat. I personally wouldn't do it, but that's me. Now, if you have a good chick and a good relationship, I don't think it's a very manly thing to do to have fun times with another chick just for the **** of it.

But the one thing I'll never understand, more than anything, is an open relationship. If you're gonna go out with a chick, and spend money on her, and (hopefully) get emotionally attached, why the hell would you want to mess around with other chicks? More importantly, how could you stomach another dude messing around with your chick?

[daemon barbeque]

Well I never cheated ,but was really "close".I had lot's of relationships ,affairs and onenightstands..What i have learned is "every woman is different and every relationships has it's own dynamics".
I can get really quick "bored" and i am not a type of "loyal" guy.But i am loyal to myself ,therefore i don't cheat.I left many women ,jsut because i wanted another woman ,so it was not "honest" anymore to be with them.To carry on what is actually not what i want is actually to lie myself everyday!
I am for the Open Relationship.I can't do that since i get really jaelous and lose control over my feelings ,but i hope i will be ready for it in the Future.
Pleasure and Libido is "hormonal" based things ,and i am certain that those things have nothing to do with a soul relationship!If you found your soul partner ,why to "stop" her and yourself from living your basic instincts and why to Lie?I mean ,isn't it better for two "really active" persons to live their own life sexual wise and enjoy to be together?.One of my good friends and my ex band meember is like that.They are very happy ,the find each other really atractive and live like that since 7 years!It works for them really well!
I turned a horny Chzeck woman back yesterday on the dancefloor who really F****d me on stage ,but i am still a man huh Jolly?!?

I hate to sleep with Drunk Chicks!

[Jonny R]

I was party to an interesting discussion at a work conference once, with two people I worked with, one a German girl in her mid 20s, and the other a married British guy in his late 30s, neither religious.

Her view:

"You should just live together because there's no point marrying. After all, your feelings change, and if you're just living together then after a couple of years when you don't love each other anymore you can just move on to the next relationship."


His view:

"I don't think you can have a long term love with a viewpoint like that. Long term relationships take work, and passion and love gets better if that work is put in. Love over a long term is deeper and better than that first buzz feeling that you're talking about."


I've read somewhere that the average length of time the initial in-love 'buzz' lasts is about two years. Interesting in the light of a lot of Hollywood marriages too...

[Skarekrough]

I may be young but i know who i am.

I wasn't trying to cast judgement, all i said was that i can't understand that mindset. Jolly was the first one to 'judge' that by calling everyone who hasn't owned up to cheating a liar or not a 'real man'. In most cases i agree that its arrogant and wrong to cast judgement on other peoples descions, but i feel pretty strongly about the concept of it taking a 'real man' to cheat on someone.

I think in a greater sense I "know" the mindset that JOLLY is coming from, whether it's machismo or some of the experiences. I'm certain if I sat down with him and a bottle of good whiskey he and I would find significant similarities in different points in our lives. Oh, we certainly don't agree on everything, that's for sure. But I can almost guarantee that we'd have plenty of stories to swap that illustrate certain points.

You may be young but you don't know ****...and not becuase I don't think you're smart but becuase you will have a thousand times ahead of you to re-create and define yourself. You will have a thousand chances to make the decisions over and over and will be afforded, each time, the potential of looking back and making your call based on experiences. You will have a thousand oppurtunities arise and for every one you won't always make the right decision. But that's part of life. If you burden yourself by always being "right" then you lose sight of what it is to live and be young and be allowed to make your own mistakes. And believe me, I made plenty of them. And I can tell you, some of the biggest ones were made when I thought I was doing the right thing.

Years ago I was appalled by a friend of mine that said "there are two types of married men; those that cheat and homosexuals." I was horrified (and engaged as well) when he laid that on me but after five years of marriage I "get" what he's saying...not literally, but in a greater sense. My comprehension doesn't denote unfaithfulness, but more how incredibly difficult it can be to remain faithful and how anyone who doesn't must not have the urge to have sex with women.

[Skarekrough]

Perhaps thinking that you have more life experience than others, purely based upon your age, has led you to become convinced that some of the things you hold dear are of more worth than a younger person who disagrees.

Regarding your last point about faithful married men who 'must not' have the urge to have sex with women... perhaps it is possible that they do have the urge to have sex, and that they cannot imagine having more interesting sex with any woman other than their wife/girlfriend.

I've been with my girlfriend for a year now, and prior to that i had many one night stands and a fair share of girlfriends... personally, i would rather have sex with someone who 'knows what i like' whilst also have the intimacy i have with her. Besides this, whilst i do not dispute that there are some super-attractive women in the world, i do find my current girlfriend more attractive than any of them.

I, then, am an example of someone who does have the urge to have sex with women, but i would just rather the person to be my girlfriend.

Really....a WHOLE year?

Not to be condescending....but you're arrogant to think that you know your ass from your elbow based on that experience alone.

Hell, I'm arrogant to think I know what it's like in the long run. But after over ten years of being in a comitted relationship with its ups and downs and having friends that have been through similiar experiences I can afford the luxury of being able to look back and see what I was and how I was at a certain point in time.

It's not about age....I know plenty of the "man-children" that haven't ponied up the bravado in life and lived and experienced things.

[Skarekrough]

Do not assume my only experience in a relationship is my current one year relationship...

No...that was made on a past post of yours where you were all torn up over your girl and it sounded like the typical late teen / early twenties drama.

If it's any consolation you sounded like your age.

Also, you are foolish to think that a person who is moral is just too young to have lived and experienced things.

The unchallenged in their beliefs are usually the ones that crow loudest about them and stand on pillars to shout at others who they feel are not as moral.

...so how's the weather up there?

It is also foolish to think that because you are older, you have experienced more things.

Sure...but getting to the bottom of that is just ****-waving and unless you were balls-deep in 14-year olds in Singapore then I can just about guarantee you that a tit-for-tat would bore everyone.

None of those things are necessary truths.

This thread was never about truths. It was about life experiences and fidelity.

You're the one trying to turn it into math.

[Aden]

it seems to me relationships are about respect, and they never really become relationships unless there is respect, and they stop being relationships once respect is lost, not when divorce papers are signed or the break-up call is made. Thats my take on fidelity. But then again I haven't been cheated on yet.

[LesStrat]

Mais, wha

...except for that Heaven and Hell thing, eternal damnation, burning in a lake of fire, etc.

No punishment/reward system there...

It's only truly moral if you are acting on your own accord, not by fear of Judgement.

I never denied the opportunities for rewards/punishments existed. I simply pointed out that the underlying motivation is NOT based on future possibilities, but current desires.