Wiring help please!

[cream123]

So here's my config for the J-master project (This is final unless you guys have any objections):

Lipstick tube rw/rp in the neck-single coil
mini-hum in the middle -humbucker
"Brooklyn" Hi-lo tron in the bridge-single coil

In need some help on the wiring scheme. Here's what I have to work with:
One on-on slide switch DPDT
One 3-way toggle LP style.
1 or 2 push-push pots DPDT if needed
2 roller knobs

Here's my plan

Toggle "normal" wiring not necissarily in this order
1-Neck pickup
2-Both pickups
3-Bridge pickup

on-on
1-nothing changes
2-middle on

push-push pot 1
pushed-turns all pickups off but the middle
not pushed-normal

Looks like I didn't need that second one after all . Is this just too complicated? I'm trying to use the scheme used on the TVL sig model without the second toggle. Is this possible. Can you guys simplify this? Also I forgot to mention that the push-push pot 1 bypasses the other controls on the pushed. It's kind of like a kill switch except for the middle pickup. I would imagine you could do this by not wiring the middle pickup to that pot and just setting it up as a kill switch.

Also I was thinking about a master tone and 3 volumes but that wouldn't work would it? Maybe hook up the bridge and neck pickups up to 1 tone and 1 volume for both and the middle will have it's own volume and tone (most likely the roller knobs).

Is this too complicated?
-Marc

[cream123]

*bumpalicous!*


Arite....anybody???

What I'm looking for is some advice on whether this will work or not and preferably a diagram

[danglybanger]

...why not just use one 5 way switch?

then you wouldn't need a seperate switch for the middle, and you could use your old Squier thing. And then wire a killswitch that worked with any pickups on.

wire a position to do both the neck and bridge.

...who's tvl?

3 volumes rather than a switch would be horrible live, even though it would be cool.

I'm a big fan of having a volume control for each pickup though maybe put one of the vols on the top route or have all the volumes on the bottom bout, and all the tone rollers at top

[cream123]

...why not just use one 5 way switch?

then you wouldn't need a seperate switch for the middle, and you could use your old Squier thing. And then wire a killswitch that worked with any pickups on.

wire a position to do both the neck and bridge.

...who's tvl?

3 volumes rather than a switch would be horrible live, even though it would be cool.

I'm a big fan of having a volume control for each pickup though maybe put one of the vols on the top route or have all the volumes on the bottom bout, and all the tone rollers at top

Wow, I never thought about that. I would like to be able to use the middle with any pickup or without any other pickups on. How about a 4 way blade switch and have the slide switch control the middle pickup? Could you do 3 knobs on the lower boute and have the jack on the side?
Some thing like this maybe?

1-bridge
2-bridge and neck
3-neck
4-off

slide
1-nothing happens
2-middle pickup on

[danglybanger]

...ok. I think the killswitch would be better if you could use it (more simply) with any pickup configuration on.

so

5 way switch pos in the conventional way:
1-neck
2-neck+mid
3-mid
4-mid+bridge
5-bridge

slider switch for bridge+neck

one 2 way, dpdt for killswitch.

individual knobs for volume controls, individual roller pots for tone

that seems simplest. you'll still have six knobs and 3 switches using push pull or push push whatever pots might clean things up

(by the way; if you're going to have me do this, I'll make the body for you... but since I know you're flighty, I'm not going to route for pups til AFTER I see that you've actually bought them and are going to use them )

[cream123]

...ok. I think the killswitch would be better if you could use it (more simply) with any pickup configuration on.

so

5 way switch pos in the conventional way:
1-neck
2-neck+mid
3-mid
4-mid+bridge
5-bridge

slider switch for bridge+neck

one 2 way, dpdt for killswitch.

individual knobs for volume controls, individual roller pots for tone

that seems simplest. you'll still have six knobs and 3 switches using push pull or push push whatever pots might clean things up

(by the way; if you're going to have me do this, I'll make the body for you... but since I know you're flighty, I'm not going to route for pups til AFTER I see that you've actually bought them and are going to use them )

The kill switch was so I could use the middle pickup alone BTW. No need for it now. Where is the 6th knob coming in? As far as I remember I just wanted 5 knobs. No sixth knob. Unless you see a need. Besides that it sounds like a plan, good idea with the routing plan BTW.

[ArtieToo]

Here's another alternative. This just uses 2 ordinary LP switches, or any style of on-on-on switch.
(This is an old drawing. Ignore the reddish plastic looking thing.)



The first switch selects between the neck and middle. The 2nd switch selects between the setting of the first switch and the bridge. This gives you every combination of pickups, including all three on.

One of the things I like about this switching arangement is that you can divide the pickups between either of the two switches, and get a "priority mode" for one of the pups. In other words, using my drawing as it is now, the bridge pup gets the priority mode. You instantly switch to it, by itself, regardless of the setting of the other switch.

[danglybanger]

...wow that's clever

...so you don't want a kill switch? if you can get the middle pickup alone...

as for the knobs, did I hear something about individual volumes and tones for each pickup? I hope so because that would be cool as hell.

And would help balance the pickups. Because as it is now... they might be pretty ****ing unbalanced

[cream123]

Here's another alternative. This just uses 2 ordinary LP switches, or any style of on-on-on switch.
(This is an old drawing. Ignore the reddish plastic looking thing.)



The first switch selects between the neck and middle. The 2nd switch selects between the setting of the first switch and the bridge. This gives you every combination of pickups, including all three on.

One of the things I like about this switching arangement is that you can divide the pickups between either of the two switches, and get a "priority mode" for one of the pups. In other words, using my drawing as it is now, the bridge pup gets the priority mode. You instantly switch to it, by itself, regardless of the setting of the other switch.

Artie's for the win. That's a lot easier IMO. If I remember correctly that's exactly what Yamaha did on the Troy Vanluween sig model. The only difference is that the middle pickup took priority.

[ArtieToo]

The only difference is that the middle pickup took priority.

And you can easily do that mod. Just switch the middle and bridge hot wires in that diagram. Instant middle-priority mode.