Ten turns per layer???

[hamerfan]

Update to my comment below from Wolfe himself. I was mistaken in calling these hand wound pickups. They are not, never the less they are awesome!

"Jason
Just wanted to let you know, neither the Marshallheads or the DrV's are a hand-wound pickup. Although they're machine-wound, they are a scattered coil, athough they're not a "random scattered" coil. The Marshallheads require so much wire that it's impossible to lay it on by hand in just the right pattern to get it all on there. While most machines wind a perfectly even, layered wind with one turn laying right next to the other, I don't set my machine to do that. Most winders will lay on about 65 "turns per layer" across a humbucker bobbin - the Marshallheads have about 10 turns-per-layer, which spreads the coil out dramatically, and lots of scatter and airspace in the coil. It's all in how you program the machine...my machine is capable of programming 99,999 different "lines" in each coil, meaning I can lay each turn of wire exactly where I want it...I can dissect an old PAF, and program the machine to do exactly that pattern, but I'd have to program it in reverse...and it would take for ever...
My machine will also do a true random scatter, if I want it to.
The DrV's are directly based on the Marshallhead coils, but much lower output.


Wolfe "

This is a quote from a review on Wolfetone Marshallhead pickups at harmony-central. Any comments on '10 turns per layer' ?

[Zhangliqun]

He's probably right. Spreading the turns out that far probably does a really good approximation of scatterwinding. It doesn't necessarily have to be random to have the scattering effect on tone.

Also, if he does anything like a coil mismatch with the Marshallhead bridge (9.0k), he's definitely right that hand guiding would make it hard to get more than 4.5k worth of #42 wire on a typical humbucker bobbin, especially with such a wide spread on the layers which takes up more room.

I'm surprised he gave up that much info on his wind, real trade secret material -- unless he's holding something else back...

[PoorMan]

I was under the impression his pickups were hand-wound too. This is a disappointing discovery. I need to contact Wolfe.

[Zhangliqun]

There's nothing to be disappointed about if the pickups sound great, and from what I've heard from others, they really do. I'm looking at trying out a set in a month or two myself.

It would actually be a big breakthrough to be able to do something like that with a fully automated machine, so if this is true, more power to him.

On the other hand, if this quote is from Harmony Central, take it all with a grain of salt...

[PoorMan]

On the other hand, if this quote is from Harmony Central, take it all with a grain of salt...

I missed that.

Zhang, I actually agree with you.

[Zhangliqun]

See, we can get along. (Were you about to rip me in that deleted post? wink-wink)

[PoorMan]

(Were you about to rip me in that deleted post? wink-wink)

No. I wasn't. I'll PM you what it was. I don't want it up for public consumption.

[WolfeMacleod]

Update to my comment below from Wolfe himself. I was mistaken in calling these hand wound pickups. They are not, never the less they are awesome!

"Jason
Just wanted to let you know, neither the Marshallheads or the DrV's are a hand-wound pickup.

Just wanted to add to this that it should read: Are NOT a hand-wound pickup.

Poorman, I still do a lot of hand winding. The Marshallheads and DrV's needed to be very consistent, which cannot be done with hand-winding.
It should also be noted that none of the old PAFs were hand-wound...