I'd like to see Seymour & Co. BAN all Gay bashing threads...

[bungalowbill]

Can I say something on TwinReverb's behalf? (And the behalf of any other people on this board who are coming from the same place?)

You're not going to convince them.

Ain't gonna happen. Trying is an exercise in futility, and will only result in resentment and cyclical discussion.

If they were to give, even a little bit, regardless of how logically sound an argument you present them, they'd be denying their religion. Does that make them right? Wrong? I have my opinion, but ultimately it's not for me to say.

I read a lot of the very interesting (and accurace, IMO) interpretations of specific biblical scriptures aimed to give them a different view of how homosexuality could be regarded, but you have to understand that they're never going to see things that way. It doesn't matter how closely those interpretations mirror the original Greek and Hebrew writings - those writings aren't their Bible.

Many Christian denominations are very, very closely tied to their own specific interpretations of their own specific translations of the Bible, be it the King James version, the New King James, the New International, or what have you. Whatever it is, for them, that's their book. They also believe that their book is the ultimate, infallible word of God, which came more or less directly from God through divine inspiration. That means every word in it is perfect, regardless of what the other translations say or what could be surmised from the surviving ancient scriptures.

That also means that if they give on even one little point, they'd be denying the validity of the entire book as a whole. It's all or nothing, folks. That's a very basic tenet of their faith.

So.. the only reasonable answer here is for people to be respectful of each other, whether it's their sexuality or their religion, stop the gay bashing AND the religion bashing, and let each other live as they would.

Excellent post! The key word is respect.... sometimes you have to give a little respect to get a little back.

[ratherdashing]

Nope. I can choose to be gay right now, if I wanted. That example don't work. Sorry.

Did you choose to be heterosexual?

[ratherdashing]

Thanks, I guess, but I wasn't trying to bring religion into it. My stance on the issue is 90% the study of behavior, since my sister is getting her 4yr medical degree and already has her bachelor's in psychology. I ask her a lot of questions.

I seem to be having deja vu here ... don't you find it convenient that your interpretation of science perfectly matches your faith?

[Lewguitar]

Can I say something on TwinReverb's behalf? (And the behalf of any other people on this board who are coming from the same place?)

You're not going to convince them.

Ain't gonna happen. Trying is an exercise in futility, and will only result in resentment and cyclical discussion.

If they were to give, even a little bit, regardless of how logically sound an argument you present them, they'd be denying their religion. Does that make them right? Wrong? I have my opinion, but ultimately it's not for me to say.

I read a lot of the very interesting (and accurace, IMO) interpretations of specific biblical scriptures aimed to give them a different view of how homosexuality could be regarded, but you have to understand that they're never going to see things that way. It doesn't matter how closely those interpretations mirror the original Greek and Hebrew writings - those writings aren't their Bible.

Many Christian denominations are very, very closely tied to their own specific interpretations of their own specific translations of the Bible, be it the King James version, the New King James, the New International, or what have you. Whatever it is, for them, that's their book. They also believe that their book is the ultimate, infallible word of God, which came more or less directly from God through divine inspiration. That means every word in it is perfect, regardless of what the other translations say or what could be surmised from the surviving ancient scriptures.

That also means that if they give on even one little point, they'd be denying the validity of the entire book as a whole. It's all or nothing, folks. That's a very basic tenet of their faith.

So.. the only reasonable answer here is for people to be respectful of each other, whether it's their sexuality or their religion, stop the gay bashing AND the religion bashing, and let each other live as they would.

Close to 100% correct, IMOHO. My ex-wife is a fundamentalist Christian so I have alot of experience there.

[JB_From_Hell]

Thanks, I guess, but I wasn't trying to bring religion into it. My stance on the issue is 90% the study of behavior, since my sister is getting her 4yr medical degree and already has her bachelor's in psychology. I ask her a lot of questions.

Somebody post that picture of that guy with his hand against his head saying, "Oh no, not this **** again...."

[Skarekrough]

Well, of course I can. There are times I'd like to grab an ass. There are times I'd like to tell a girl at a bar how much I'd like to do her. There are times I'd like to get it on with somebody at work and realize it's a bad idea.

I also desire to pull off a big bank/jewlery heist. I sometimes think about cashing in and going on a permanent vacation. I desire to steal a Ferrari and drive it like I stole it.

But I don't. It's called "self-control."

To compare a criticism of how one conducts himself in public to being born black or to slavery is just ignorant. It's a slap in the face to all blacks.

The issue is less about your capacity for self-control and more about how you see yourself in the world.....and it's very telling about you as a person.

You require self-control because, primarily, you're unable to look at the world past the viewpoint of a child. Watching a gay couple kiss offends YOU. Robbing a bank benifits YOU. Grabbing ass at a bar is something that YOU want to do.

It isn't self-control as much as it should be respect.

You should respect others desire for minor amounts of PDA in public. Those in love know that it happens.

You should respect the institutions that allow you to have freedom BECAUSE you don't do things like rob banks.

And you should respect women to not think that their main function of them is for you to objectify them and have them be the target of your likely unwanted advances.

It's about respect...and you know not a ******ned thing about it, and have managed to prove it in more ways that I ever thought possible in under a hundred posts.

Lew pointed you to the door. Consider this another person that feels your presence here is unwanted and unneccesary. Please go elsewhere, you're not wanted here.

[Lewguitar]

Lew pointed you to the door. Consider this another person that feels your presence here is unwanted and unneccesary.

Well yeah...but I did it with a smile!

[doveman]

What kind of pickups do you guys use? Wait a minute ... I'm in the wrong place.

[Robert Delahunt]

Did you choose to be heterosexual?

Yes

I seem to be having deja vu here ... don't you find it convenient that your interpretation of science perfectly matches your faith?

I find it convenient that I know the truth, and that it exists outside of my faith. However, like I have said, I'm not going to get into a knock-out drag-out about this any more. In fact, don't you find it funny that those who preach tolerance can't practice it? Regardless, what I believe exists outside of my faith.

I know why Lew is mentioning it, and if I were in his shoes I'd probably feel the same. It's dear to his heart. Someone he loves is of that lifestyle. I have family that's of that lifestyle, but they're not as close to me relationally as his is. I don't blame Lew, and I don't hate him. In fact, I agree with him to a large degree: we shouldn't be bashing anyone, especially those whose lifestyle is different than ours, on this forum, or anywhere else.

[JB_From_Hell]

I bet Henry Rollins frowns upon homophobia.

[blackflag]

The issue is less about your capacity for self-control and more about how you see yourself in the world.....and it's very telling about you as a person.

You require self-control because, primarily, you're unable to look at the world past the viewpoint of a child. Watching a gay couple kiss offends YOU. Robbing a bank benifits YOU. Grabbing ass at a bar is something that YOU want to do.

It isn't self-control as much as it should be respect.

You should respect others desire for minor amounts of PDA in public. Those in love know that it happens.

You should respect the institutions that allow you to have freedom BECAUSE you don't do things like rob banks.

And you should respect women to not think that their main function of them is for you to objectify them and have them be the target of your likely unwanted advances.

It's about respect...and you know not a ******ned thing about it, and have managed to prove it in more ways that I ever thought possible in under a hundred posts.

Lew pointed you to the door. Consider this another person that feels your presence here is unwanted and unneccesary. Please go elsewhere, you're not wanted here.

Let me understand this...you spend this whole post insulting me personally, then shake your finger at me because I don't respect you enough?

Excuse me while I laugh in your face and point out how little your opinion matters to me.

We all have opinions here, but there's no need to get personal.

As far as telling me when to leave...I'll tell you what...you can tell me what to do when you become my boss. So go to law school at one of the top five schools, then get a job at the top law firm in the world, then work there for 10 years, and become a partner....then you can tell me what to do. Sound good? Until then, tell my finger you want it to leave, skippy.

[Lewguitar]

What kind of pickups do you guys use?

Out of a couple of dozen Strats and Teles and one Les Paul, something like 95% Seymour Duncans!

Joe Bardens in two...Tom Holmes in one...the original Fenders in my '63 Strat.

Lew

[JB_From_Hell]

As far as telling me when to leave...I'll tell you what...you can tell me what to do when you become my boss. So go to law school at one of the top five schools, then get a job at the top law firm in the world, then work there for 10 years, and become a partner....then you can tell me what to do. Sound good? Until then, tell my finger you want it to leave, skippy.

Dude, seriously, nobody cares that you're a para-legal.

[firebirdV]

Yes

You confuse the ability to have sex with someone and falling in love with someone. If you can have the same feelings towards men that you have towards your wife then you are bisexual.

[Robert Delahunt]

Out of a couple of dozen Strats and Teles and one Les Paul, something like 95% Seymour Duncans!

Joe Bardens in two...Tom Holmes in one...the original Fenders in my '63 Strat.

Lew

Speaking of which, do you make your own pickups? I'm not sure if you're Lindy Fralin or not. Oh well.

By the way, thanks for your pickup advice over the "years". The dual classic stack and JB setup, while it didn't work in my Ibanez (my fault, I had the wrong wood in mind, should've done research), sounds downright killer in the Jackson Soloist (SL1?). I tried it and was like "wow, what's wrong with my Ibanez?!" lol

[blackflag]

Dude, seriously, nobody cares that you're a para-legal.

Believe whatever makes you feel better, friend.

[firebirdV]

Believe whatever makes you feel better, friend.

Well I don't really care whether you're a paralegal, so I guess that's one for JB and zero for you.

[ratherdashing]

Yes

Interesting ... so how did you arrive at this decision?

[Zhangliqun]

I thought all the political stuff was banned anyway.

[Robert Delahunt]

Interesting ... so how did you arrive at this decision?

The fact that every time I had an opportunity, I declined to walk on the other side. Had nothing to do with religion: in fact, it was during a time I hated everything to do with God and religion. Like I said, it's a choice.