Mass Murder at Fort Hood

[GrooveHT]

Hey guys, I live here in scenic Killeen, outside Ft. Hood. I have a buddy who was going to head over to that location early to get to the front of the line, his unit was due to be through there at 1400 (shooting happened 1330 or so)...we've just been back for a few months, this was to be post deployment health assesment stuff for us. Luckily I talked him into going to lunch with me instead of brown bagging it, so he was enroute when things went buckwild rather than there.

Needless to say, Billy owes me lunch. Never have I been so happy to make someone not be early to something.

It's been a rough day or two here for a lot of folks. I would ask that if you're inclined to this sort of thing, to pray for the wounded and deceased and their families.

[Scott_F]

Old member, Gunnyrat, was up there for a while. We all lost touch with him, I hope he is okay.


dude was a whack job, possibly a terrorist. It was planned out. He went out a while back and bought an FN 5.7. Extremely powerful handgun that goes thru body armour. Nice choice.

Interesting to find out if he was a true terrorist or just a whack job. Then again, aren't most terrorist whack jobs? Seems like if you're ready to blow yourself up with a bomb planted up you're bung hole, you're probabaly a whack job.

[innerdreamrecords.co]

They should give the Sgt. who shot the whack job a free pass for life.

[Condemned soul]

Considering the legislation that was recently passed, why has no one on this board mentioned "Hate Crime" yet?

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the post commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Originally Posted by Condemned soul

Considering the legislation that was recently passed, why has no one on this board mentioned "Hate Crime" yet?

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the post commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.

I've been listening to the news a lot lately on radio, I think the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I'm not going to label it.

[Gr8Scott]

Originally Posted by Vasshu the humanoid typhoon

Took one good woman to stop that guy!
She put 4 bullets into him...

Women are usually better inclined to naturally outshoot men initially. They just seem to adapt to it better than men do. Thing is most men really like to shoot and will practice more than most women do. Those few women who stick with it are just amazing shots though. Guess she proves this point to a tee.

[JohnJohn]

Originally Posted by Condemned soul

Considering the legislation that was recently passed, why has no one on this board mentioned "Hate Crime" yet?

Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the post commander. He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.

(gonna risk a toe in the religious field here)

Apparently he was a convert.
Must've been pretty recent because if he'd bothered to read the Qu'ran he'd have noticed that the part that says not to do stuff like this is on page 1.

(admins if that is too far just delete this post and not the whole thread.And if anyone has a bone to pick about that please p.m. me instead of spamming up the thread)

[rashayritto]

I first heard about this in the sermon during Jummah prayer at my masjid (i dont pay attention to the news much). Very very sad news indeed. I hope all those affected can find peace somehow.

Arent occurences of people in the military cracking under pressure relatively high right now? I think i heard about the statistics on the news months ago

[Pierre]

People reported that he'd been abused because of his religion before.
I doubt this was planned to the extent of a terrorist act. The guy broke down, and wanted to show them. Has it never happened to you, you get bullied so much you clench your fists and you say through your breath 'I'll show them someday' ? Well that's what he did.

Hatred only breeds hatred.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Scott_F

Old member, Gunnyrat, was up there for a while. We all lost touch with him, I hope he is okay.


dude was a whack job, possibly a terrorist. It was planned out. He went out a while back and bought an FN 5.7. Extremely powerful handgun that goes thru body armour. Nice choice.

Interesting to find out if he was a true terrorist or just a whack job. Then again, aren't most terrorist whack jobs? Seems like if you're ready to blow yourself up with a bomb planted up you're bung hole, you're probabaly a whack job.

Dude... no.

They see themselves as warriors. To them there is no difference between what they're doing and between a soldier in the frontline sacrificing his life for the fight. That's how they see it. They don't see it as terrorism, but as war. They've been brainwashed and drilled so much they really see it as the truth. Which is exactly why the US is totally desillusioned and will never understand this, because they're exactly as brainwashed and misunderstanding as they are. Both sides see themselves as righteous, as having been supported by God, whatever. It's all the same God. Just different assholes interpreting 'God's' word (I'm talking about extremists there, there are some on either sides).

America's a secular country, despite appearances, I believe. People will brand him a Muslim because they're too scared to realise he's an American. Plenty of American criminals though...

[misterwhizzy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Dude... no.

They see themselves as warriors. To them there is no difference between what they're doing and between a soldier in the frontline sacrificing his life for the fight. That's how they see it. They don't see it as terrorism, but as war. They've been brainwashed and drilled so much they really see it as the truth. Which is exactly why the US is totally desillusioned and will never understand this, because they're exactly as brainwashed and misunderstanding as they are. Both sides see themselves as righteous, as having been supported by God, whatever. It's all the same God. Just different assholes interpreting 'God's' word (I'm talking about extremists there, there are some on either sides).

Dude, are you out of your mind?

A terrorist straps a bomb to his chest and blows himself to smithereens because he doesn't have the cojones to take what's coming to him or the intelligence to realize that his religion doesn't even really stand for harming innocents. That's either stupidity or cowardice, and probably both. Assigning any sort of positive quality to someone like that or mitigating the impact of what he has done is sick and wrong. As far as I know, life is at the top of the sacred list regardless of which religion is involved.

[Zerberus]

Originally Posted by misterwhizzy

Dude, are you out of your mind?

A terrorist straps a bomb to his chest and blows himself to smithereens because he doesn't have the cojones to take what's coming to him or the intelligence to realize that his religion doesn't even really stand for harming innocents. That's either stupidity or cowardice, and probably both. Assigning any sort of positive quality to someone like that or mitigating the impact of what he has done is sick and wrong. As far as I know, life is at the top of the sacred list regardless of which religion is involved.

No, he´s not out of his mind by any measure.

He merely has a good grasp on what radical religious indoctrination, years of anguish and oppression, and life in a poor country that´s also a warzone can and will do to the perception of people. Many don´t even need that degree of pressure to see things forom a perspective we would regard as "whack". See also "Westboro Baptist Church"

Not everybody sees life as you do, because not everybody has lived your life. This is one of the basic things that must be understood before any form of intelligent discourse about any subject matter regarding beliefs can take place.

[newking70]

Originally Posted by Zerberus

No, he´s not out of his mind by any measure.

He merely has a good grasp on what radical religious indoctrination, years of anguish and oppression, and life in a poor country that´s also a warzone can and will do to the perception of people. Many don´t even need that degree of pressure to see things forom a perspective we would regard as "whack". See also "Westboro Baptist Church"

BS! this guy was born and raised in the usa, he was making a 6 figure income...he didn't come from some palestinian refugee camp, he was afforded every opportunity in this world, and in the army because he was a muslim....he should've been cashered out of the military along time ago....but because of political correctness they kept him in....now because of political correctness honorable men died. i agree with snowdog, muslims need to decide where their loyalty lies, are they americans 1st or muslims 1st.

[Zerberus]

Originally Posted by newking70

BS! this guy was born and raised in the usa, he was making a 6 figure income...he didn't come from some palestinian refugee camp, he was afforded every opportunity in this world, and in the army because he was a muslim....he should've been cashered out of the military along time ago....but because of political correctness they kept him in....now because of political correctness honorable men died. i agree with snowdog, muslims need to decide where their loyalty lies, are they americans 1st or muslims 1st.

Please read the post quoted and the post it was a rebuttal to as a means of improving your grasp on the context. Reading more than the first sentence theoretically should have been enough, as the second sentence and last interjection also clearly pointed to a different point being made.

But either way that´s completely irrelevant, because nobody was speaking of the shooter at Ft. Hood but of the mindset of many terrorists in general. Had you followed the discussion correctly, you would have known that before clicking "Submit Reply".

Thank you for your participation.

[newking70]

Originally Posted by Zerberus

but of the mindset of many terrorists in general.

Thank you.

you mean like bin laden who came from a billionaire family. i'am sorry i don't buy the logic that poverty creates terrorist.....

[Zerberus]

Originally Posted by newking70

you mean like bin laden who came from a billionaire family. i'am sorry i don't buy the logic that poverty creates terrorist.....

You do know you´re making yourself look foolish by picking single possible causes out of a short and in no way comprehensive list and attempting to discredit the entire statement with single contrary examples, right?? Nowhere is stated that any specific criteria "makes" terrorists.

All it does is prove me correct in my statement that you are not looking at the whole picture. As much as I respect you, a discourse at this level is senseless.

[newking70]

Originally Posted by Zerberus

All it does is prove me correct in my statement that you are not looking at the whole picture

what is the whole picture? i heard the statement that only 10% of the muslim world is radicalized.....there are 1billion muslims in the world....that's alot of pissed of people.

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Which is exactly why the US is totally desillusioned and will never understand this,

All of us? I don't think so.

[Zerberus]

Originally Posted by innerdreamrecords.co

All of us? I don't think so.

But enough of us are .... How many people were up in arms demanding the impeachment of Bush for "I´m doing god´s work"? Not very many, but when you look at the Constitution it SHOULD have been >280 million people.

But since our god is better than theirs, our president can say that kind of thing. At least thats what a lot of sheeple seem to think. They don´t care that it is /isn´t everybodys /nobody´s god, they just want to be able to say "We´re better because of something that we have no hand in makes us better!"

But delving deeper into this would become a religious discussion...

[innerdreamrecords.co]

Originally Posted by Zerberus

But enough of us are .... How many people were up in arms demanding the impeachment of Bush for "I´m doing god´s work"? Not very many, but when you look at the Constitution it SHOULD have been >280 million people.

But since our god is better than theirs, our president can say that kind of thing. At least thats what a lot of sheeple seem to think

Instead, we voted for change by an overwhelming margin. I don't think you can impeach a president for the comments he made.