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    what's your take on high tech vs. Old School recording gear & methods?
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    I could easily yak about that for days on end... might be better to listen. At least for now... then you tell me what YOUR take is!
    well, the safe answer for me would be that Old School gear sounds better, and newer tools are easier to edit with, but I asked because I'm curious about how someone who records a lot applies both

    I'm a fan of Buddy Miller, who is pretty much Old School, records in his house, and turns out warm sounding, soulful discs like his own, "Universal House of Prayer", and Solomon Burke's "Nashville".
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    Every engineer knows where the bodies are buried. Got any good stories about interesting studio practices that you've seen or heard about?

    -What are your favorite mics and approaches to micing for guitars?

    -what advice would you give to a band looking to track completely live?

    -do you do much work with tape anymore? if not, do you miss it?

    -what are your favorite compressors and mic pres?

    -i find carrot sticks and celery are great to have around in the studio. How do you roll in terms of keeping healthy during long, intense sessions?

    -what's your policy on alcohol and drug use in the studio?

    -If you had a choice between Ed Van Halen's pink parachute pants and Dave roth's buttless chaps, what would you wear?
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    What is the most common mistake people make when they first start recording stuff?

    What's the best single piece of advice you could give to the home recordist?

    Recording a perfect moment, or the perfect solo on stage, what would you choose?

    Where and when did you have your greatest onstage moment?


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    Fav beer?

    Fav drink (or shot)?
    If you just read a post by The Guy Who Invented Fire please understand that opinions change, mind sets change and as players our ears mature...not to mention our needs grow and change. With that in mind, today I may or may not agree with the post you just read!

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    What is you opinion on groupies in the studio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the guy who invented fire View Post
    One last thing (for now...)

    Why Cavefish???
    HAHA

    I "stole" the word from my friend Mark Rubel who's produced Hum & Allison Krauss among others... he came out with it a conference a few years ago. There were about 100 AE's standing around in the hot midday Tuscon AZ sun and noted that it seemed odd for a group of people who almost never see daylight...

    See also; "studio tan"
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    All you need to make a record is a mic, some tape and maybe some bad reverb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor View Post
    All right, time for my two favorite questions:

    Can you name one single band or artist that you think is obligatory listening for us kiddies?
    I'd probably Buck Owens or Doc Watson...

    But I guess if there's one thing I could say there about listening to & absorbing music, I would say... don't pigeonhole yourself. Good, nay... great musicians are well rounded. I think too often people who play, say blues or metal listen to only their "thing" and never venture outside the genre which can stunt musical growth. Listen to everything. Try and find some good in there even if you don't really dig it.

    Can you elaborate on an experience you've gained in your lifetime, that you think others could benefit from hearing about too?
    ALWAYS get it in writing!

    Real estate deals, partnerships or just playing the bar up the block...

    ALWAYS!!!

    I could say more but that might be enough if you think about it...
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    All you need to make a record is a mic, some tape and maybe some bad reverb...

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    What did the Noodles Incident consist of?
    Quote Originally Posted by threechordcharlie and ratherdashing
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    RD:A question friends and school guidance counselors have been asking for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gearjoneser View Post
    First, a joke....

    Why do so many New Yorkers suffer from depression?

    You'd be depressed too if the light at the end of the tunnel was New Jersey! LOL
    Heh. Going into NYC... buncha yuppies now with their $7 slices of pizza but there are still some places where you could still end up on the ass end of an asswhoopin. Did 'ya know the Statue of Liberty & Ellis Island are actually in NJ?

    Now for some gear questions. If you were forced to sell all of your guitar equipment on Ebay, then take that amount and re-buy a whole rig, which guitars/amps/FX would you buy with that money?
    Been asking myself that same question recently... Not entirely sure. I've always saved up and bought what I wanted rather then settling so I'm not sure what I'd change... I played a KILLER '82 dot-neck 335 a few days ago and a sweet custom shop 135 the week before... I've had thoughts of selling the EJ strat to get another Tele like my old USA schecter and/or the 135.

    The AC30 would stay & so would most of my pedals. Hypothetically I'd love a gold-top w/ P90s and maybe a black LP custom. Late '60s Tele's... I'd want a Princeton of some sort 'cause they record so well. '70s Orange heads and a 50-watt HiWatt from that era. What's a really killer "modern" amp? Bogner or maybe a VHT? I used to have a Pitbull 50 combo and traded it even for the AC30...

    If you had a 200K budget to supply your own recording studio with your dream gear, which recording medium would you use, and which primary rack pieces and mics would be mandatory purchases?
    $200k for gear alone, not just construction? Hmmm... build-out alone would be an easy $50k...if not $100k and at this point I'd only spend that money if I owned the building or had a 50 year fixed-rate lease.

    $200k on gear... That'd equip one hell of a first class room! I first typed a long reply here, and then realized it was a long reply!

    I'd have multiple formats... a couple of Studer 2" decks; maybe an IZ Radar and I'm pretty happy with my current Nuendo/Motu rig so I'd keep that with 32 channels of I/O, but move to hipper converters like the $3k per 8 channel variety. There would also be at least one, if not a pair of analog 2-tracks as well. My current Studer 1/4" and maybe add a 1/2" deck.

    A big chunk of the cash would go towards a large format analog console. I can't mix in the box... it's not there yet. A lot of the techniques I use just don't work at all ITB. Not to mention headroom, tone & overall ease/workflow. Maybe I'd toss $100k at an API or a new Daking... maybe get an old SSL E series or something "odd" like a Quad 8 or Flickenger and have it all ripped down & rebuilt like a muscle car for far less money...

    Outboard - Micamps from API, stuff based on 'old' Neve stuff, Helios modules, something old & tubey...thick like a VT Fern; Telefunkens or 50s RCA plus a few "clean" units like Grace or whatever. I dig those Chandler TG2's a whole lot and Dakings... At least 24 channels total.

    Compressors & EQs - A few Pultecs, API 550 and 560's; GML... the Cranesong STC-8 & Ibis; a handful of 1176s and an LA-2a or similar like a Pendulum, Demeter or Manly El-Op. Not a big fan of Distressors but I'd have a pair... Probably some Tube-Tech and/or Demeter... dbx 160's and some Drawmer gear. and I'd need an RCA BA6A (or two) if I could convince Jimmy Page to sell 'em! More stuff from Summit & whatnot... at least 20 channels of outboard comps & 8 channels of EQ.

    Mics - A couple three "big" tube mics... old U67, Sony C37A etc. A few 414's and/or U87s for utility; pencil condensers from Scheops & Josephson; maybe Neumann KM54's... probably KM84's. Several Sennheiser 421's & 609s, a pair of 441's... old RCA ribbons or new AEA and a few Royer ribbons. At least one good stereo mic like a KM69 or Shure VP88...

    There would also be a good assortment of stuff that's kinda odd & quirky or just otherwise not big name "A-list" gear that I like...

    But most importantly... someone to maintain the stuff & keep it all working!

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    All you need to make a record is a mic, some tape and maybe some bad reverb...

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    Fav beer?

    Fav drink (or shot)?
    Beer ~ I love me some Magic Hat. Small VT based brewery... http://www.magichat.net/ Also Bass; Newcastle; Flying Fish; Sierra Nevada; Watered down wee like Coors & Budwiser isn't beer... I'll stick to juices & soda if that's the only thing at a gathering...

    I dig Jager; rumplemints; Southern Comfort;good tequila like Patrone Silver... Kettle One vodka or similar... I'll try a shot of almost anything at least once!
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    All you need to make a record is a mic, some tape and maybe some bad reverb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly View Post
    what's your take on high tech vs. Old School recording gear & methods?

    well, the safe answer for me would be that Old School gear sounds better, and newer tools are easier to edit with, but I asked because I'm curious about how someone who records a lot applies both
    I can't fully buy into the "gear" thing because these days there's a lot of new gear that's just as good as the old stuff. You won't find it at GuiTarget and the rest of the pro-sumer dealers... but it's out there from dealers like Mercenary and Vintage King.

    In the last 20-odd years, the biggest change has been the move from analog to digital recording. Drums are drums, guitars are guitars... but now instead of being limited to 16 or 24 tracks, it's unlimited. Go ahead and DO 40 takes of a solo, figure it out later. Everyone gets lazier. The worst is drum replacment... IMO it's no excuse for getting "bad" sounds in tracking... "Yeah, it's not great. We'll replace it later..." It's removed any need to commit.

    With advent of tools like AutoTune & beat detective they get used on everything automatically just because they can. One listen to modern rock radio shows that... I flip it on and can hear Waves preset #46 and snare sample "X". Now it's easy to sit there for hours & polish a turd... create a performance, or suck all the vibe and life out of one. That's why I like keeping things on tape. Sounds great, and it keeps that whole pandoras box of limitless editing closed. Keeps people focused on the big picture... the playing.

    On the flip side, I'm really not opposed to using digital for what it IS good at.

    If there's an amazing take but the drummer botched a few bars, it's easy to fly stuff around or tune just a few less-then steller notes in an otherwise flawless & great vocal take. Tape sounds great but a 2" deck is basically a 600 pound hot dog cart. Not exactly portable where's I can fit my 32 I/O DAW rig with a bunch of racks & mics in my car and set up anywhere.

    Good analog, or good digital. Either one costs a fair bit of coin. And it's all in how it's used. People were tuning vocals and flying stuff around back in the '70s...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie_bees View Post
    What is the most common mistake people make when they first start recording stuff?
    From the engineers perspective? Not having good monitors and a listening environment. Not taking enough chances and playing it safe.

    From the musicians angle, I'd say under-budgeting and not keeping realistic expectations. Though, maybe the latter could be applied to the engineers side as well!

    What's the best single piece of advice you could give to the home recordist?
    Define it's purpose. Why are you recording? Are you writing songs and using it as a sketchpad? Is it to make demos? If so, who's going to hear them? Are you aiming to make fully-finished "masters" at your home studio? As in, a real record for commercial release that's competitive with others?

    Figuring those out will lead to other answers. How to equip, how good the gear needs to be. If it's the latter thing, shooting for release quality, well... would you rather be engineering or playing?

    Recording a perfect moment, or the perfect solo on stage, what would you choose?
    I see those as being similar, if not the same. Great performance always trumps great tone. Always.

    Where and when did you have your greatest onstage moment?
    Hmmm...

    I'd have to say that performing at Yankee Stadium was up there. I was filling in a friends cover band. Their guitarist had broken his wrist or hand or something... The drummer and bass player were/are NYC cops in the Bronx and they had some kinda 'policemans' day at the park. We played early on, before the game as people were coming in.

    Sadly, I've kinda gotten away from gigging. Too busy recording others to have time for a band project but I've been chewing on that again & writing a bit... I've been playing and "ghosting" guitar, bass & percussion on lots of things in the meantime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesStrat View Post
    What is you opinion on groupies in the studio?
    Bad.

    It's never any good.

    Same goes for wives & girlfriends, husbands...etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJohn View Post
    So you never let your husband in the studio?
    I try not to...

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    If you could have one super power, what would it be?

    favorite super hero or super villain?

    favorite character?

    I'm very new to home recording--is there a book or website out there that has a good rundown of the basics to make a decent sounding recording?

    know of any tricks to make entry level recording gear sound less cheap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot _Grits View Post
    Every engineer knows where the bodies are buried. Got any good stories about interesting studio practices that you've seen or heard about?
    Too many! Be a little more specific... lol

    -What are your favorite mics and approaches to micing for guitars?
    I don't have a "set" approach for anything. Makes it boring and cookie-cutter, I'd rather make "real" money working in a cubicle at that point...

    Anyway. It all depends on the sound coming out of the amp and what the song is dictating, what the artist wants to hear. On "brighter" amps I have consistently good luck with the Blue Baby Bottles and Royer R121's when paired with another mic to capture more articulation, like a 421. I hear the new Baby Bottles are brighter then first issues, I have #47 and #48 or something...

    The combo of a 421 and 57 with the capsules aligned is tried & true. I've also used 414's & TLM 103's; pencil mics like AKG 451/460; KM84's... EV RE20's...

    Sometimes I'll use the close/far thing and really compress the room mic. Sometimes just one mic a few feet back like the Neumann M147. I generally don't jam the mic into the grille, back it up maybe 2-3" so it has room to breathe. Going a foot away even with a 57 isn't uncommon.

    I almost never spend hours dialing it in too... do it quick. If the amp is putting a good tone into the room but it sounds bad I'll swap the mic if it doesn't drastically improve with a few sweeps around the speaker...

    -what advice would you give to a band looking to track completely live?
    Preparation is key! Get 'yer parts worked out. Be prepared to live with some bleed... good, to even great isolation can be achieved but there's always some weird 'ghosts' in there when underdubbing.

    -do you do much work with tape anymore? if not, do you miss it?
    Yeah! I still love tape. I only sold my MCI 2" deck because I closed down the big commercial room and it wasn't practical to keep it or let it rot in storage. The record I've been working on for the last year or so, with Swampadelica... almost all the songs were cut on tape then transferred to a DAW for some mild editing and overdubs. Besides the tone, and even smell of tape... I love the performance aspect. I treat the DAW as a tape machine... it's just a mindset.


    -what are your favorite compressors and mic pres?
    Reference the Jonser $200k question! Besides all the old 1176's and API stuff, I'll send drums through a Dynacomp... anything to get a sound!

    -i find carrot sticks and celery are great to have around in the studio. How do you roll in terms of keeping healthy during long, intense sessions?
    What's this now? Hea...He...Hel, healthy? heheheh

    Drink water. Rest when needed. Taking a 15 or 20 minute break and getting out of the building for fresh air or just getting out of the room and into silence can do wonders. Avoid "heavy" greasy foods. Pizza is a staple, but it's also an energy vortex. Chow down & 20 minutes later it's nap time... I stick to salads and wraps... Don't work too many hours in a day. After 8-10 hours most people hit the point of diminishing returns...

    -what's your policy on alcohol and drug use in the studio?
    Tough one.

    One guy I assisted long ago has a rule on his productions called "sober 'till 6" meaning, everyones sober until 6pm and then the "party favors" can come out. Now for him, he figures if a guy normally wakes up and does two shots of Jack Daniels and three bong hits, that's his "sober" state for 11am...



    While I might have a puff or three and the occasional drink, I rather like the idea of having control when I'm in the "control room" ya know? Plus, generally speaking there's thousands of dollars on the line and I have to account for it all to someone... Like Nigel said, there's a fine line between clever and stupid. If things get to the point where you can't play/sing anymore and it's spiraling out of control, then the session is done. If it's a daily thing then I'll walk. Anything more then some tweed kicking around and I don't want to see it, or even know about it. Thankfully I've never had any truly bad scenes but I have seen some rather sketchy stuff during my assisting days & at gigs...


    -If you had a choice between Ed Van Halen's pink parachute pants and Dave roth's buttless chaps, what would you wear?
    The parachute pants!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSP View Post
    What did the Noodles Incident consist of?
    Someone who didn't have their parts worked out and was otherwise boiling over with half-baked musical ideas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJohn View Post
    What's the silliest/strangest thing you've ever done to get an effect/take?

    (ie: a band I was in once recorded the vocal lines in a bathtub because the reverb went down)
    Vinny from the Lifeguards... we cut a lot of his vocals on "Dive" with him holding a 58 in front of a megaphone, just like he would at a show. Some of those takes were printed with delay and other FX so it was "done". Nothing to reconstruct while mixing...

    http://www.thelifeguardband.com/

    Great stuff there. Especially the notes on the songs/recording of Dive... heh heh. Top link to SJSLCB...


    I've done things like put a 57 in the center of the drum kit, maybe on the snare and feed that into a Champ or something that's in the same room as the drums so the overheads & room mics pick it up. Record acoustic guitar with a hyper-compressed Green Bullet on the otherside of the room... lots of "unconventional" stuff for sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the guy who invented fire View Post
    BTW...how was it working with/around Joe Baressi??
    Killer. Education & forming.

    I was young & green... it was a short booking for a stoner rock thing... maybe a week or 10 days? I had dropped out of music school a few months before and he was doing some fairly unconventional things...

    Chaining two compressors together on a source... two micamps in series, all wound up and having the drummer barely tap a head for an overdub... Putting a dozen pedals in a row with a little practice amp on the other end and having the guitarist just "GO" for a solo. Jamming bass or drums through stompboxes while mixing.

    That kind of thing. I had never seen or heard of it before. The fearlessness to try something, anything, and say... well, schit. That didn't work! Lets try this instead...

    Also, I was instilled with the ideas of working fast and not wasting time. Always be "ready". Try to be a step ahead of the musicians. He'd listen to an amp in the room, then literally plop down a mic and walk into the control room to listen.

    Totally different then some of the guys who spent hours aligning mics in fractions of an inch with pink noise blasting through the cab.

    I asked him... WHY? Why spend so little time on placing the mic?

    Why not?!?! It might suck, or it might rock. Who knows. Why obsess over the placement before you've even listened to it? Plunk it down, go listen. Does it sound like a guitar? Is it offensive? Fuk it. Move on! If it's unpleasing, then you move the mic or swamp the guitar... the amp...pedals... etc. and find something that suits the song.

    Go on that journey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustWendell View Post
    If you could have one super power, what would it be?
    Never much thought about it... I always thought Plastic Man was kinda cool!

    favorite super hero or super villain?
    Villain... Lex Luther. Hero? Maybe Batman.

    favorite character?
    Mr. Potatohead. Does he count?

    I'm very new to home recording--is there a book or website out there that has a good rundown of the basics to make a decent sounding recording?
    Not sure which books are good or not for that kinda thing...

    Go to http://tapeop.com/ and get a subscription. It's FREE. There's no good reason to not have one!

    know of any tricks to make entry level recording gear sound less cheap?
    Ummmm... listen. Get some really solid monitors that you can listen to and feel like you have a magnifying glass into the recordings you like. Compare recording you make to ones you like. Be able to separate the music from the sonics... be critical about it!
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