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    Hi all,
    I've decided i'm going to swap the pups on my strat copy project guitar.
    However, i've decided to go pretty mental with the setup, and whilst it seems pretty straight forward in my head, i'm unsure of how to wire it all up! Hopefully you'll be able to help me

    The simple of it is:

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/seymour_dun...l59_wh_set.htm

    Those pickups go to their own volume controls that are push/pull so I can coil tap them, and then onto a 5 way switch before going to the jack. To make it slightly more complex though, I'd like to put in a switch that determines whether the bridge is on or not when the 5 way is in a position other than positions 4/5.

    Hopefully that makes sense, but in case it doesn't, I've attached a jpg of my proposal to try and add some clarity!

    Many Thanks,

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    What I'd do is either 3 of these for coil tapping before the 5 way switch.
    Then get a super switch and do the Mike Richardson mod using Master Volume, neck Tone, neck/bridge Tone with all three push/pull. One for the wiring, one for a neck phase, one as a "lead" bypass switch.

    Or 3 on/on/on for single/humbucker/off with stacked volume/tone for each pickup.

    Either way, good luck.

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    Default Re: Wacky Idea = Interesting Wiring Schematic

    just have each wired to a volume control with no switch
    dont want the bridge? roll it out

    want neck and bridge ? roll middle out
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    MojoMonster: Currently, I set and forget the tone control so I want to avoid having a tone control where possible - I can always solder a resistor in if I find I have too much high end.

    hermetico: Yes, my intention was to run the volume/coil tap in series with the pickups before going to the switch. Please can you elaborate on the independent/dependant volume scenario? I've got it in my head that the volume controls will affect the signal going to the switch... Which is what I'd like to do!

    ehdwuld: That sounds good... is there a noticeable difference in the amount of noise? And how do you combine the outputs before going to the jack?

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    So if I've read this correctly you want all 3 humbuckers to be individually splittable via p/p pots and each pickup will have its own volume control. This will be standard strat switching with a another switch to add the bridge pickup to positions 1, 2, and 3? I did something along the same lines to an LP, I could draw you up a diagram later if you would like?

    On a side note does any one know if the duckbucker in that set is RWRP? If not the switching should still be doable in it current state.

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    nalo1022: Yes, exactly that. Yes please, that would be very helpful

    hermetico: That is a good suggestion, and has convinced me that a switch would be a good thing to have.
    If I understand that, an independent volume control can never completely turn a pickup off/down? What is a dependant volume control dependent on?

    Many thanks for all your help guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3VDJ View Post
    What is a dependant volume control dependent on?
    This typically refers to a Les Paul style, 2 volume and 2 tone setup.
    The volume controls are dependent on each other.
    If you have both pups selected and turn either volume all the way down, you also turn off the other pup.

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    YEa
    thanks Herm
    you explained my suggestion in much more detail than I could have
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    As promised here is a diagram for the switching options you wanted. I also included a small circuit on the diagram to simulate the very minor tonal effects of a tone pot turned up. Even though you said you don't use the tone control it still has an effect on the sound, albeit minor. I don't believe the Duckbucker is RWRP, so the wiring I drew up splits the Duckbucker to the south coil as to provide hum-canceling. The neck and bridge pickups split tot he north coil. If you have any questions I tend to check the board frequently.


    Wiring Diagram
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    Quote Originally Posted by nalo1022 View Post
    As promised here is a diagram or the switching options you wanted. I also included a small circuit on the diagram to simulate the very minor tonal effects of a tone pot turned up. Even though you said you don't use the tone control it still has an effect on the sound, albeit minor. I don't believe the Duckbucker is RWRP, so the wiring I drew up splits the Duckbucker to the south coil as to provide hum-canceling. The neck and bridge pickups split tot he north coil. If you have any questions I tend to check the board frequently.


    Wiring Diagram
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    good point hermetico. Some of this stuff has become second nature so I will occasionally overlook things like the ground to claw/bridge. If you swap the leads on lugs 1 and 2 on the pot this should make the volume controls independent. If I have time when I get home from work I'll update the diagram.


    On a completely unrelated note. Hermetic I was noticing your avatar and was wondering if were some kind of alchemist? If so got any tips for turning lead to gold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermetico View Post
    Perfect. Some notes:
    • Some ground wires aren't represented there (bridge claw, shielding...).
    • Remember to solder together every ground.
    • This diagram works with DEPENDENT volumes so, If you have two pickups selected in the 5-way switch and you completely roll off one of its pots, the entire axe will shut up.
    That's awesome, thank you to both.

    I'm unsure about which volume style to use, however, it looks like it shouldn't be that hard a job to change round if I don't like it that way round.

    Does anyone have any comments regarding my choice of pickups? I'm after a set that are really versatile (will do clean nicely, but don't lose a round tone when they are used with OD etc). I figured these were a good set to chose because of the individual height adjustment on the magnets per string which would allow me to tailor them to get a good balanced sound.

    Many thanks to you all

    Aiden

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    Quote Originally Posted by nalo1022 View Post
    good point hermetico. Some of this stuff has become second nature so I will occasionally overlook things like the ground to claw/bridge. If you swap the leads on lugs 1 and 2 on the pot this should make the volume controls independent. If I have time when I get home from work I'll update the diagram.
    Sounds simple enough to me, thanks
    Don't worry about updating the diagram, i'm sure i'll be able to work it out from that many thanks.

    Thanks again.

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    Also, can I use these as volume controls?

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    hermetico: Thanks.

    Based on that, what is the difference between volume and tone pots?

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    In general a volume pot has a logarithmic (audio) taper and a tone pot has a linear taper. The reason for this is the way the human ear perceives volume changes. That and a cap. Here is a link that describes everything you need to know about pots, and it is must-read for anyone who works on there own guitars (and other electronics as well) The Secret Life of Pots

    @Hermetico: lol I asked about alchemy because of the caduceus, and also because of the word hermetic. Both come up a lot in alchemy.
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    Default Re: Wacky Idea = Interesting Wiring Schematic

    I understood that to be the other way round
    Linear for volume and Audio for tone

    but whatever

    Edit
    Just checked the Tone control from my Ibanez RG4
    Laying on the desk here
    its Audio , came stock in the Ibanez
    Carvin says they use linear as their volume
    http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...duct=P1&cid=62

    and Audio for the tone
    http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...duct=P2&cid=62

    Jeremy wrote in one of his posts that he uses Linear for both

    I've heard of Audio for both

    either or

    the Audio just seems to some people to make very little change over the
    majority of its travel

    its up to the listener tho
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    lol i forgot to add my obligatory "its up to you" to my post. I find that linear work best for me with tone controls and audio for volume, but its definitely not set in stone. The human ear doesn't perceive volume in a linear fashion so the logarithmic is supposed to compensate for that. I use logarithmic pots for volume but the taper isn't perfect IMHO. I guess someday I am going to have to get a custom pot taper made specifically for my ears lol

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    P.S.: it would be really funny to discover from where it cames the symbol of metalheads!
    I think it may have something to do with the Pharmacy thing
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    After this I'll stop hijacking the thread

    Hermetico done similar readings over the years. I started with alchemy, but all the others have been incorporated into my views. Hermes is kinda like my guardian angel. I actually have wings on each ankle.

    OK done hijacking

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