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    what about a Fender SuperSonic?

    http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...Amp?sku=480874

    two channels:

    1) 'vintage' channel with a "vibrolux" mode and a "Bassman" mode
    2) 'burn' channel with two gain knobs.

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    here is a demo of the supersonic. I think it sounds pretty sick

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVXO9G8T9k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Caruana View Post
    what about a Fender SuperSonic?

    http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...Amp?sku=480874

    two channels:

    1) 'vintage' channel with a "vibrolux" mode and a "Bassman" mode
    2) 'burn' channel with two gain knobs.

    all tube, 60watt amp
    That was exactly what I was thinking.


    It's the classic Fender sound just with some serious versatility. The overdrive channel sounds great in it's own right. Why use pedals through a Fender when Fender makes an amp with overdrive built in that sounds better than any pedal you could put through it? That amp is probably the only modern Fender I've played around with that I've seriously considered buying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by That90'sGuy View Post
    That was exactly what I was thinking.


    It's the classic Fender sound just with some serious versatility. The overdrive channel sounds great in it's own right. Why use pedals through a Fender when Fender makes an amp with overdrive built in that sounds better than any pedal you could put through it? That amp is probably the only modern Fender I've played around with that I've seriously considered buying.
    Ive played one a few times and Im pretty much an all Marshall guy, but I love the supersonic. On the "vintage" channel, you get crystal clear cleans with the vibrolux mode. Gritty, blues and rock tones with the bassman mode; and then all your harder rock and heavy metal tones with the "burn" channel.
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    The Fender Hot Rod series are garbage. They're notoriously unreliable (just go over to the Fender.com forums or TGP and search "HRD or HRDv" and see what they think of them). The tube sockets are mounted directly to the board which, given enough heating/cooling cycles will result in cold solder joints. Not to mention screen grid resistors that burn out and the ridiculous linear volume pots on them. You'll read story after story about guys who've had them fail time and time again at gigs. Yeah, you see a lot of them as rental backline, but that's because they're cheap and plentiful.

    I love Fender amps, but the HR series (Deluxe, Deville, Blues Jr, Pro Jr) are all not what I'd consider good reliable gigging amps. There's a few good ones out there, but there's also a lot of lemons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjrocks View Post
    I'm going to say Rivera They're a great deal in the used market and they are know for their clean channel. I have no idea how plentiful they are there though.
    if you come across one, i'd check out a rivera

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    this may likely be an unpopular suggestion, but if you're looking for something affordable you can gig with, i'd also consider a 50w marshall dual reverb combo. cleans aren't as good as the fenders, but as these came with 6L6s you may find them favorable to some other options.

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    +1 for the Super Sonic. There's also the SS 22 watt model.
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    ive had screen grid resistors burn out on hand wired point to point fenders (princeton reverb II and a bassman 135). Both nice amps and gigging workhorses. I also used to have a hot rod which was fine - although i did do a couple things to make it more reliable for the same reasons but in terms of reliability theres no issues that any other amp do not suffer from. Amps of all builds and types have things break down fromn time to time. The reasons you hear about ppl complaining that their HRDs have broken down is because there a just so many of these amps around. Its simple a numbers game. Also searching on the fender forum is not gonna get a lot of ppl complaining that their marshall has broken down or that their rivera has gone awol so its really a waste of time. Sure the HR amps use pcb construction....but so do mesa/boogie! Yes they have cheap jack sockets....but they are cheap great sounding amps that are easy to fix/mod/replace parts etc.
    My onlt two honest criticisms of the HR series of fenders (and i have owned and gigged an HRD as well as a BJR) is that the stock speakers are pretty lame and cant handle nice clear treble tones and definitely flab out in the bass end....but any cheap speaker will do that. With a speaker upgrade any of this series of amps is a serious gigging professional musicians rig. My other criticism is the cabinets which are prone to rattle as opposed to the lovely sexy heavy finger jointed pine cabinets of the really expensive amps from fender or even the chunky ply cabinets from some other manufacturers. However....any amp with the sort of cabs that you find in the Hr series will do the same. A heavy finger jointed pine cab will prolly add up to 500 bucks at retail level to the cost of an amp.
    The guy has 1000 aussie to spend....hes not looking for the best sexiest amp in the world...hes after a workhorse for gigging. For 800 aussie he can get aused HRDLX and spend maybe 150 aussie on a Lorantz speaker (wicked sounding top quality australian built speakers) and have some spare change for brand new tubes and have a great sounding pro level amp.
    Sure there are any number of amps out there...but for something that sounds good and fits the budget there is nothing better. 2 channels plus boost and spring reverb as well as any number of websited offering information on tweaking the amp to taste. These amps cant be beat. The only amps in the price range that can compare are the peavey classic 30 or the Laney VC30...both really nice also but they dont really fit his description quite as well. The other one too look at would be a DSL40 combo but the clean sound has nothing to compare withe the fender. FWIW I once plugged into a stock HRD amp when sitting in with a band in a live music night club and the engineer was pissing his pants at the guitar sound - and this guy knows what hes talking about...hes tour manager for peter green as well as Lulo Reinhardt and has been liver mixing bands since the early 80s. Now the guitar tone nerd inside me prefers some more expensive and sexy amps, but its a good example of what works for a live setting. So yeah there are a lot of ppl out there who have strong opinions on these amps, but thats cos these things have becomne pretty well the industry standard these days.
    For 1000 aussie its really a pretty simple choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibson175 View Post
    For 800 aussie he can get aused HRDLX and spend maybe 150 aussie on a Lorantz speaker (wicked sounding top quality australian built speakers) and have some spare change for brand new tubes and have a great sounding pro level amp.
    that's a pretty convincing argument, cam

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    I know it's been said, but I didn't see if someone had given a report as to the cost... But, how much are SF Fenders over there? Here they're WAY under the $1000 mark, but I'm sure it's different down under, just didn't know how much, anyone know. If they're in your price range, a Pro Reverb, Twin, or maybe even a Bandmaster Reverb and cab will be right up your alley... Such great amps! Personally I play a Pro Reverb and it's pretty unbelievable how great it really is at the total price I paid! Good luck in your search!

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    ^ the only amps mentioned in this thread that this guy's got a hope of picking up for less than 1K is the blues/HR deluxe, a little laney or a peavey classic, and it'll be used.
    silverfaces are closer to 2K; closer to 3K for a blackface that still powers up.
    and you can forget about mesa; the only mesa you'd get here for under a thou is a bottle-rocket or used v-twin.

    i just thought of traynors; you could possibly pick up a used one of those and change the speaker for around that money.

    EDIT - what area you talking about, viewaskew2k5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibson175 View Post
    ive had screen grid resistors burn out on hand wired point to point fenders (princeton reverb II and a bassman 135). Both nice amps and gigging workhorses. I also used to have a hot rod which was fine - although i did do a couple things to make it more reliable for the same reasons but in terms of reliability theres no issues that any other amp do not suffer from. Amps of all builds and types have things break down fromn time to time. The reasons you hear about ppl complaining that their HRDs have broken down is because there a just so many of these amps around. Its simple a numbers game. Also searching on the fender forum is not gonna get a lot of ppl complaining that their marshall has broken down or that their rivera has gone awol so its really a waste of time. Sure the HR amps use pcb construction....but so do mesa/boogie! Yes they have cheap jack sockets....but they are cheap great sounding amps that are easy to fix/mod/replace parts etc.
    My onlt two honest criticisms of the HR series of fenders (and i have owned and gigged an HRD as well as a BJR) is that the stock speakers are pretty lame and cant handle nice clear treble tones and definitely flab out in the bass end....but any cheap speaker will do that. With a speaker upgrade any of this series of amps is a serious gigging professional musicians rig. My other criticism is the cabinets which are prone to rattle as opposed to the lovely sexy heavy finger jointed pine cabinets of the really expensive amps from fender or even the chunky ply cabinets from some other manufacturers. However....any amp with the sort of cabs that you find in the Hr series will do the same. A heavy finger jointed pine cab will prolly add up to 500 bucks at retail level to the cost of an amp.
    The guy has 1000 aussie to spend....hes not looking for the best sexiest amp in the world...hes after a workhorse for gigging. For 800 aussie he can get aused HRDLX and spend maybe 150 aussie on a Lorantz speaker (wicked sounding top quality australian built speakers) and have some spare change for brand new tubes and have a great sounding pro level amp.
    Sure there are any number of amps out there...but for something that sounds good and fits the budget there is nothing better. 2 channels plus boost and spring reverb as well as any number of websited offering information on tweaking the amp to taste. These amps cant be beat. The only amps in the price range that can compare are the peavey classic 30 or the Laney VC30...both really nice also but they dont really fit his description quite as well. The other one too look at would be a DSL40 combo but the clean sound has nothing to compare withe the fender. FWIW I once plugged into a stock HRD amp when sitting in with a band in a live music night club and the engineer was pissing his pants at the guitar sound - and this guy knows what hes talking about...hes tour manager for peter green as well as Lulo Reinhardt and has been liver mixing bands since the early 80s. Now the guitar tone nerd inside me prefers some more expensive and sexy amps, but its a good example of what works for a live setting. So yeah there are a lot of ppl out there who have strong opinions on these amps, but thats cos these things have becomne pretty well the industry standard these days.
    For 1000 aussie its really a pretty simple choice.
    Dude, I like your posts, but this takes way too much effort to read. I have no idea what I've quoted here. It looks like the Declaration of Independence.

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    Fender Hot Rod Deluxe or Evil Twin

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    The Super Sonic's will be about 1399 here then up'. Might go to a Laney VC 30 2x12 if i can get one used. I know those amp's like the back of my hand....I was hoping for a fender, but it look's like everyone down here worth their salt won't touch a 'new' one and will only go for the much older or MIA releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viewaskew2k5 View Post
    I was hoping for a fender, but it look's like everyone down here worth their salt won't touch a 'new' one and will only go for the much older or MIA releases.
    For the record most people that talk down on the hot rods haven't ever owned one, it's just internet bs. Yes I did some mods to my Deville, but even before I did them I could get pretty close to the sound I was after, and the mods by no means changed the natural character of the amp

    The first tube amp I got and eventually sold forever ago was a hot rod deluxe, neither of them have had reliability issues. Also I'm pretty sure the new RI models have tube sockets mounted to the board as well. Yes they come with a plastic input jack, but so do a lot of new amps and that's a $15 fix assuming it ever breaks so there you go, plugging into the low gain input for one band practice isn't gonna kill you

    All that being said I'd still change the tubes and speaker when you get the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viewaskew2k5 View Post
    The Super Sonic's will be about 1399 here then up'. Might go to a Laney VC 30 2x12 if i can get one used. I know those amp's like the back of my hand....I was hoping for a fender, but it look's like everyone down here worth their salt won't touch a 'new' one and will only go for the much older or MIA releases.

    I have never really been a fan of Marshall Amps.
    get a used super sonic then
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    ^ he's talking about the used supersonics...

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    Do yourself a favor and contact Nik at Ceriatone.

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