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    Any suggestions how one would go about to recreate the classic Rockman tone today, without the units themselves (and without playing samples through a Kemper)? I know it is a controversial tone, but for 80s aficionados it can be indispensable.

    Let us, for simplicity's sake, limit ourselves to the Sustainor sound, and keep the iconic choruses and delays out of the picture.

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    Using a modeler (BIAS) and VSTs, I walk through it step-by-step:



    Subtract the delay/echo & H910 parts for the basic tone... although they are key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    Using a modeler (BIAS) and VSTs, I walk through it step-by-step:



    Subtract the delay/echo & H910 parts for the basic tone... although they are key.
    You Nailed It !! I thought I was at the "Don't look back tour" in the early to mid 80's again ! That is so cool,I really like that tone and that Carvin guitar is perfect for that sound ! And your playing is awesome,you nailed it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    Using a modeler (BIAS) and VSTs, I walk through it step-by-step:



    Subtract the delay/echo & H910 parts for the basic tone... although they are key.
    You Nailed It !! I thought I was at the "Don't look back tour" in the early to mid 80's again ! That is so cool,I really like that tone and that Carvin guitar is perfect for that sound ! And your playing is awesome,you nailed it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit817 View Post
    You Nailed It !! I thought I was at the "Don't look back tour" in the early to mid 80's again ! That is so cool,I really like that tone and that Carvin guitar is perfect for that sound ! And your playing is awesome,you nailed it !
    Thanks!
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    As I remember, Boston used a graphic equalizer to remove much of the bass tones of their guitar sound.... Of course, lots of distortion.

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    The basic ingredients are a solid state distortion, compressor, and graphic EQ. I'm not 100% sure where the compressor goes in the chain, but the EQ needs to be after the distortion.

    As a basic starting point, I'd try something like a Boss CS-3 set for heavy squash into a DS-1 and run that through a GE-7. That won't sound exactly like a Rockman, but should be at least somewhat close.
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    And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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    Dumb question... can't get a rockman off of eBay for like $25?
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    It's a "fixed wah" style resonance before the distortion as well. That's why whatever pickups you use, those Rockmans still sound very similar.

    The Rockman Sustainor had a send/return between the compressor and pre-filtering and the distortion. The big eye opener for me, was that if you plugged into the distortion section, bypassing the pre-filtering, it sounded like any other totally boring distortion pedal. In fact, it was dark and muffled sounding. So a parametric midrange boost before (any) distortion is necessary, as well as bass and treble filtering after the distortion.

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    The 1st album and apparently most of the 2nd album were made with an early 70s Marshall (attenuated), DiM SD, and the accompanying EQing (wah too), EV RE-20, Echoplex & Eventide... Rockman gear didn't exist then.

    The 3rd album (Third Stage) was made with Rockman gear.
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    Wow @ the first video! Way to end the discussion before it has even begun, and with grace and style to boot! Awesome!

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    Wow @ the first video!
    Finally got around to watching the vid.... VERY good representation of the original Boston tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirion View Post
    Wow @ the first video! Way to end the discussion before it has even begun, and with grace and style to boot! Awesome!
    Thanks. It took a lot of research, work and several sets of eardrums...
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    I remember plugging into a Rockman through headphones and going "OMG - the Scorpions used one of these!!!!"
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    That's the thing, isn't it? There are plenty of people who don't like the sound, and I can understand why, but in the 80s it was so ubiquitous, and a lot of stuff just sounds wrong with a more traditional guitar tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirion View Post
    That's the thing, isn't it? There are plenty of people who don't like the sound, and I can understand why, but in the 80s it was so ubiquitous, and a lot of stuff just sounds wrong with a more traditional guitar tone.
    That is what caused the death of SR&D. My old boss worked there. From what he told me Tom Scholz is an egomaniac. Scholz would not allow the "Boston" tone to be dialled out of the Rockman line of gear even though guitar tones had drastically changed in the 90's. He felt his tone was the holy grail and everyone should be using it. The tone and the product eventually became useless for most guitar players. Imagine how bad Slayer or Pantera would sound on one of those things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Securb View Post
    Scholz would not allow the "Boston" tone to be dialled out of the Rockman line of gear even though guitar tones had drastically changed in the 90's.
    That's odd - SR&D started in the 80s. Majority of the product line was designed in the 80's as well.

    All of my units (Sustainor, Distortion Generator, Stereo Chorus, Stereo Echo, MIDI Octopus) are copyright mid-80s.

    Tom sold SR&D to Dunlop in '95. You sure you got the right decade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    That's odd - SR&D started in the 80s. Majority of the product line was designed in the 80's as well.

    All of my units (Sustainor, Distortion Generator, Stereo Chorus, Stereo Echo, MIDI Octopus) are copyright mid-80s.

    Tom sold SR&D to Dunlop in '95. You sure you got the right decade?
    Like I said the company could not keep up in the 90's halfway through the decade he sold the company. I do have the ex- executive's cell number if you would like to call him. Of course, you know more about the company from going to Wikipedia than a guy that worked at the company. I am sure he would love to bask in your knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Securb View Post
    Of course, you know more about the company from going to Wikipedia than a guy that worked at the company. I am sure he would love to bask in your knowledge.
    That was never inferred. Presumptuous much?

    Furthermore, the name-dropping to compensate doesn't impress.
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    I think I had a Rockman for a few days before modding it...haha that tunnelvision sound buggged me!

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