Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 39

Thread: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

  1. #1
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I know there used to be a Nokie Edwards, neck and bridge, IIRC, and I think there was something called a Hawkbucker. I was thinking there might have been at least one other. Now, there's only the Dime, El Diablo, Slug, and half of a Fuglybucker. Anyone know why they stopped producing the others?

  2. #2
    Super Toneologist Dave Locher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Joplin, MO, smack dab in the middle of the U.S.
    Posts
    1,429

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Low sales?
    Everyone associates rail humbuckers with metal and those were not metal pickups. Just guessing.

  3. #3
    tonewood instigator
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia
    Posts
    5,358

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    RIP SD Silverbird. You will be missed.
    Like the fool I am and I'll always be
    I've got a dream, I've got a dream
    They can change their minds but they can't change me
    I've got a dream, I've got a dream
    Oh, I know I could share it if you'd want me to
    If you're goin' my way, I'll go with you

  4. #4
    Mojo's Minions beaubrummels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    The dude abides
    Age
    54
    Posts
    7,301

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I believe they will still make a Silverbird or any other, its just a Custom Shop order rather than production floor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demanic
    Incompetence is widespread in a world that rewards mediocrity while punishing excellence.
    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarFanatic
    I am currently using Skullcandy headphones I found in the garbage.
    I did find the DS-1 in the garbage.
    I once found a guitar amp in the garbage, a Peavey Studio 110. It caught fire at the first gig I played it at.. But it was at the end of it, thank god.

  5. #5
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Locher View Post
    Low sales?
    Everyone associates rail humbuckers with metal and those were not metal pickups. Just guessing.
    The "low sales" makes sense, but I don't associate "rail" pups with metal. But I could definitely be in the minority. I'm making a distinction here between the thin "Dime" rails, and the thicker rails of the ones I mentioned. Nokie Edwards was, of course, the guitarist for The Ventures. Now that I've got a taste for the thicker rail pups, I'm just curious what they may have sounded like.

    Edit: Oops. I may need to back-pedal a bit on that position. I just checked the DCR of the Slug. 48k! Yowsa. That ain't "surf" guitar.
    Last edited by ArtieToo; 10-26-2018 at 09:51 PM.

  6. #6
    Administrator Mincer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Tampa Bay area, Florida, USA
    Posts
    20,682

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Maybe it is associated with metal because it looks more menacing? I mean, the rail idea is good, although with guitarists wanting everything to look a certain way, I can understand why a '59 or other vintage-output pickup wouldn't use them. But there is no denying that they are great for string balance.
    Dave, Ambassador/Writer/Artist for Seymour Duncan

    My Guitar, Gear, and Music Webpage

    Gear pics and more on my Instagram.

  7. #7
    Mojo's Minions
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    3,745

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Image issues.

    People see rail, think L500xl/Dimebucker or X2N... can't sell a non-extreme output pup with rails. Target audience won't buy it, and people who buy it by mistake instead will be dissatisfied customers
    "New stuff always sucks" -Me

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    56

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    As someone lucky enough to have bought a guitar with Bardens in the bridge they certainly have an appeal outside of metal. I was quite fond of vintage rails I had in a Yamaha RGB as well so I am glad that Duncan still makes this.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  9. #9
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I may not be using the right terminology. The Dime, and Hot/Cool/Vintage Rails definitely look like little railroad tracks. And those pups are popular. I'm referring more to the big blade pups like the Slug and El Diablo. Pups like the NE and Hawkbucker that have gone missing.

    Name:  Slug_resize.jpg
Views: 198
Size:  68.2 KB

    Although, I realize I'm the one who brought up the Dimebucker as an example.


    Edit: I'll be danged! I just found the old Hawkbucker. Now it's listed under "Bass pickups".
    http://customshop.seymourduncan.com/hawkbucker/
    Last edited by ArtieToo; 10-27-2018 at 07:01 AM.

  10. #10
    Mojo's Minions treyhaislip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    7,092

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I get that rails don’t look traditional, but I think it’s sad that people largely associate rails with metal. From my experience they tend to be super articulate and clear.

    $160 for the Hawkbucker...expensive to try one.

    My suggestion would be to try the Bill Lawrence EB50 for $55. I have it in my Iceman bass and it’s amazing. A lot of guys on the Bill Lawrence forums say it makes for a killer guitar pickup. It has thicker and wider/longer rails than the L500s but it’s the same size housing.

  11. #11
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I still need to try that 500XL. But that will have to wait 'til we get back in town next week.

  12. #12
    Toneologist Davii's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    London
    Posts
    766

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    The rails being the side profile of bar magnets?

    Could always throw a closed cover over them to get around the image issue?
    My mum says I'm speshal...

  13. #13
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I don't think the "bars" in those are the magnets. But I'm not positive. And just to be clear, I love the look of all of the rail-style pups. I also like the PATB series. But it's mainly due to their sound. Great unappreciated pickups.

  14. #14
    Super Toneologist fab.regnaut's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    France
    Age
    58
    Posts
    1,138

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Too bad that Duncan doesn't make more rail p-ups , I have a 7 strings guitar with a broader string spacing than usual , for my big hands ,
    and had not a lot of option , so I installed two Lace X-bar . And they are very good .
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	20171231_101843.jpg 
Views:	73 
Size:	49.1 KB 
ID:	93500

  15. #15
    Administrator Mincer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Tampa Bay area, Florida, USA
    Posts
    20,682

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I think they are constructed with a normal humbucker magnet...and 2 rails that are magnetized.

    To be fair, the Custom Shop can make anything you'd ever want. I think in order for things to be production pickups, they'd have to be associated with a famous artist, or come out in a guitar that everyone universally loves so the pickup sales will make more money than it costs to produce on a grand scale.
    Dave, Ambassador/Writer/Artist for Seymour Duncan

    My Guitar, Gear, and Music Webpage

    Gear pics and more on my Instagram.

  16. #16
    Toneologist Davii's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    London
    Posts
    766

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    To be fair, the Custom Shop can make anything you'd ever want.
    Unless it's me asking for a sidewinder style humbucker
    My mum says I'm speshal...

  17. #17
    Slutbucker Pimpologist ArtieToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Jacksonville, FL
    Age
    65
    Posts
    19,047

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    I think they are constructed with a normal humbucker magnet...
    Yup. Just checked. My El Diablo has a standard A2 bar underneath the bobbins.

  18. #18
    tonewood instigator
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia
    Posts
    5,358

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I know the Fuglybucker at least uses an A2 for both the rail and under the coils, but I can't confirm anything on the other styles of rail pickups.

    FWIW, I think it's high time for a new rail pickup. One that is marketed in a way to break the "rails are for metal" stigma.
    Like the fool I am and I'll always be
    I've got a dream, I've got a dream
    They can change their minds but they can't change me
    I've got a dream, I've got a dream
    Oh, I know I could share it if you'd want me to
    If you're goin' my way, I'll go with you

  19. #19
    Mojo's Minions Diego's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Santiago, Chile
    Age
    33
    Posts
    8,010

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    I'll tell you what I don't like about them, and it's the same thing with Lace Sensors: The looks.

    Rails just look off on any guitar to me, unless it's a Dimebag signature of sorts, in which case it's his thing but it's still wrong to me.

    So I don't care how good they sound, I'm probably not having them.
    Epiphone LP Standard PlusTop Pro
    Ibanez SZ320 / A2P neck + Custom bridge
    Ibanez RG270 / Screamin' Demon bridge

    Egnater Tweaker 15 Head / Laney Cub 8 / 2x12 - Celestion V30+K100
    Line 6 M13 and plenty of stompboxes I rarely use!

  20. #20
    Administrator Mincer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Tampa Bay area, Florida, USA
    Posts
    20,682

    Default Re: What happened to the "other" rail pups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diego View Post
    I'll tell you what I don't like about them, and it's the same thing with Lace Sensors: The looks.

    Rails just look off on any guitar to me, unless it's a Dimebag signature of sorts, in which case it's his thing but it's still wrong to me.

    So I don't care how good they sound, I'm probably not having them.
    Well, in guitar playing, this isn't uncommon. Everyone has an idea of what guitars and guitar parts should look like, and that look is 70 years old which makes any innovation a risky commercial proposition. I have no doubt a vintage-type pickup can be made with rails, and it might even sound better and be usable with more types of string spacing, but the problem is...will it sell? I am one of those weird people that is ready to throw out the rule book on what guitars should look like and how they work, but I am in an extreme minority here, and I know it. I am limited in exploring what this ideal should be to me by my 'musician' budget and therefore having to modify or deal with what is commercially available.
    Dave, Ambassador/Writer/Artist for Seymour Duncan

    My Guitar, Gear, and Music Webpage

    Gear pics and more on my Instagram.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •