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    Default Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    Or is it a patented feature that no other vendor can use?
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    Seems to me it is essentially the same circuit as a noise gate? Once you trip over the threshold the effect kicks in or out?

    I can't see how it would be patented, although the name is probable trademarked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Locher View Post
    Seems to me it is essentially the same circuit as a noise gate? Once you trip over the threshold the effect kicks in or out?

    I can't see how it would be patented, although the name is probable trademarked.
    Not a noise gate, it allows the effect to blend in or out gradually or change othe parameter gradually based on playing dynamics. Oddly enough it looks like Fender just released some new modulation pedals at NAMM 2019 that are using a similar approach.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    They might be able to patent the name, but certainly not the concept.

    Most envelope filters (or touch wahs) do this . . . the greater the signal from the guitar, the more it applies the effect. Most overdrive pedals work the same way too, harder picking will drive more clipping just due to the nature of how distortion works.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    However it works, I am interested in the concept.

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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    The concept has been around awhile, but you don't see it much on modern pedals. This is not an on/off feature, either. It is as dynamic as your playing.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    The concept has been around awhile, but you don't see it much on modern pedals. This is not an on/off feature, either. It is as dynamic as your playing.
    AFAIK Eventide introduced it with the H3000. On that and their newer processors you can run dual programs where it'll one run set of parameters if you play softly and a completely different set if you play hard.

    The one I hear most often is a delay set with a much louder mix and higher feedback when you play hard.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    On the SD pedals, you can usually reverse the Dynamic Expression feature, too, so the quieter you play, the more you hear the effect. This is great for, say, intros of songs before the heavy part kicks in.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    That is a great feature. I watched the chorus demo and I can totally see a use for chorus on soft parts that goes away when you thwack those strings.

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    It's a great effect to have on a reverb. It makes the effect much more natural, and as the name suggests, dynamic.
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    Dynamics expression already existed in 60s pedals like the FuzzFace (even an hammering on and pulling off do not yield the same level of distortion !)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    On the SD pedals, you can usually reverse the Dynamic Expression feature, too, so the quieter you play, the more you hear the effect. This is great for, say, intros of songs before the heavy part kicks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    On the SD pedals, you can usually reverse the Dynamic Expression feature, too, so the quieter you play, the more you hear the effect. This is great for, say, intros of songs before the heavy part kicks in.
    This is absolutely true. I have the Silver Lake and Andromeda and this is how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois View Post
    Dynamics expression already existed in 60s pedals like the FuzzFace (even an hammering on and pulling off do not yield the same level of distortion !)
    Yep but having gradually more delay/chorus/reverb when you gradually back the volume to clean up your sound makes it very appealing to me, just to avoid pedal tap dancing, I even hate having to tap a single pedal because I am already busy switching pickups and dialing the volume knob.

    Edit: Maybe I should just practice more my pedal tap dancing
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    Default Re: Dynamic expression.... Do other pedal brands have this feature?

    Quote Originally Posted by IMENATOR View Post
    Yep but having gradually more delay/chorus/reverb when you gradually back the volume to clean up your sound makes it very appealing to me, just to avoid pedal tap dancing, I even hate having to tap a single pedal because I am already busy switching pickups and dialing the volume knob.

    Edit: Maybe I should just practice more my pedal tap dancing
    See, that's the point, you don't have to tap dance. You don't have to be anywhere near your pedals onstage- it works that well.
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