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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    Yup, it’s a A pedal tone while holding the D string 7th and G 6th. Then the G 7th and 9th are used to complete the riff
    Ironically I figured that out playing around last night, but then watching the video confirmed it. Until now I've always played the 3rd/4th/5th melody on the B string while playing an A barre chord. (I do that a lot in my own songs so it came naturally.)
    Lead guitar player is hitting just those three strings, rhythm guitar player seems to be playing JUST open A string and and octave A on the D string.

    It's the lead player's tone I really liked. Now that it's been demystified for me I'm less impressed but it still sounds good so there is that...

    I had never even heard of Eventide until I joined this forum, now it turns out they are all over a lot of the recordings I've heard over and over most of my adult life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Locher View Post
    Ironically I figured that out playing around last night, but then watching the video confirmed it. Until now I've always played the 3rd/4th/5th melody on the B string while playing an A barre chord. (I do that a lot in my own songs so it came naturally.)
    Lead guitar player is hitting just those three strings, rhythm guitar player seems to be playing JUST open A string and and octave A on the D string.

    It's the lead player's tone I really liked. Now that it's been demystified for me I'm less impressed but it still sounds good so there is that...

    I had never even heard of Eventide until I joined this forum, now it turns out they are all over a lot of the recordings I've heard over and over most of my adult life!
    Yeah, it sounds like you’ve got a hold on what they are doing. It’s just that partial A triad and playing around with the other notes. It’s a fun little riff.
    And yeah, LLL has got a damn good ear for this stuff. Plus his knowledge of all that gear is ridiculous!!! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Locher View Post
    I had never even heard of Eventide until I joined this forum, now it turns out they are all over a lot of the recordings I've heard over and over most of my adult life!
    Yep... some examples:

    https://vintageking.com/blog/2018/03...de-harmonizer/

    H910 Harmonizer
    In 1975, Eventide released the world’s first commercially available digital pitch-shifting unit, the H910 Harmonizer. Designed by engineer Tony Agnello as a tool for pitch shifting, delay and feedback regeneration, it originally sold for $1,600, which is about $7,500 by today’s standards. Although it was originally designed for studio use, the very first person to purchase the H910 was New York City’s Channel 5.

    At the time, Channel 5 was speeding up reruns of I Love Lucy so they could run more ads. Of course, this also raised the pitch of the audio, which made everyone's voice sound obnoxious and screechy. Channel 5 used the H910 Harmonizer to shift the vocals back down to their original pitch, which allowed them to run the additional ads without driving viewers away.

    For the first time, audio engineers were able to alter the pitch of a sound without affecting the duration — or vice versa. Although it was originally intended for vocalists to create their own harmonies while performing, the H910 was capable of so much more. Musicians began using it to manipulate sound in a whole new way.

    A New Era of Signal Processing
    During a pre-production meeting for David Bowie’s 1977 LP Low, producer Tony Visconti described the H910 Harmonizer as digital processor that “f*cks with the fabric of time.” Bowie was sold, and used the H910 on multiple songs, including “Breaking Glass” for the iconic snare sound.

    The H910 was used to fatten up vocals on The Grateful Dead’s 1976 live LP Steal Your Face, and the opening riff to AC/DC’s "Back In Black.” It was used to achieve the steel drum effect on Led Zeppelin’s “Bonzo’s Montreux.” It can be heard on Tom Petty’s Damn The Torpedoes, Patti Smith’s “Because The Night,” and pretty much everything U2 did in the 1980s.

    Although the H910 was intended for studio use, Frank Zappa used it in his guitar processing rig, and Elton John and Laurie Anderson used for vocal processing in their live shows. Eddie Van Halen created his signature guitar sound by running two H910s, each slightly detuned with a short delay, which came to be known as the “twin Harmonizer effect.”

    The H910 Harmonizer was so well received, it was recognized by the Audio Engineering Society with a TECnology Hall of Fame award in 1976 (and again in 2007).
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    I'm actually wondering if that vid is really live.

    Detune like that is no big deal today. For those who want to really nail Mr. Scary, eventide Ultra Harmonizer. Rack-Of-Doom was often Lexicon Delay/Reverbs, Yamaha SPX90's, and for those with the money, Eventide. Vai used them a ton too.
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    Here's 2 clips with some faux Britny Fox going on.

    It's the same exact base clip for both; one without Eventide, one with.

    One guitar only with a hint of Lexicon plate verb.

    No Eventide:


    With Eventide (dual 949 Harmonizer, +1 / -1 cents):


    So, I'll eat my hat if that ain't Eventide Harmonizer on the dude's guitar in the real track.
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    LLL pretty much nailed it. But, I hate to be the one to break it to you guys, but most of the stuff on live TV is pre-recorded, except for vocals, those are often the only thing that's live. One of my best friends is an amazing drummer that toured and did TV with a very well known act for 8 or 9 years. They did the Tonight Show quite a few times back in the Leno days, the Today show, Dick Clark's New Years (and probably some others). They usually flew out a day or two ahead of time and recorded the music the day before the show.

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    Now you're breaking my heart and messing with my universe!
    That makes sense but seems almost as risky as lip-synching the vocals - what if someone falls or something?
    Next you're gonna tell me Pluto isn't really a planet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    Here's 2 clips with some faux Britny Fox going on.

    It's the same exact base clip for both; one without Eventide, one with.

    One guitar only with a hint of Lexicon plate verb.

    No Eventide:


    With Eventide (dual 949 Harmonizer, +1 / -1 cents):


    So, I'll eat my hat if that ain't Eventide Harmonizer on the dude's guitar in the real track.
    I believe you. I always heard it as some sort of flanger efgect, and in a way I guess it is. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Locher View Post
    Now you're breaking my heart and messing with my universe!
    That makes sense but seems almost as risky as lip-synching the vocals - what if someone falls or something?
    Next you're gonna tell me Pluto isn't really a planet!
    Sorry dude, but Pluto can still be a planet in your heart!


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    Default Re: "Long Way to Love" (Britny Fox) what effects?

    One thing Ive always wondered tho.... I know they prerecord a lot of that stuff and it used to be obvious in the days before wireless came along as you'd see the guitar and bass players and half the time they had no cables running from guitar to amp. You can fake with an electric guitar cuz they make little sound acoustically.. But what about the drums? How do they "fake"? Just curious
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    Good question, don't see Al much now days since he's back in Nashvegas, but next time I talk to him I'll try to remember to ask. I would guess the drummer just plays soft, at that level those guys have a lot of control.

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    Not much to add, I'm afraid, but I love that Britny Fox can still be a point of discussion in 2019.

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    Funny, last weekend while tinkering around in the man cave I listened to the entire album. The 2 radio hits were the only high points on the album imo. The rest was pretty forgettable.

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    I think it is fair to say that Britny Fox was not really one of the top points of the scene, but they had their charms. I still watch for the BF tape next to the TV set whenever I'm watching Home Alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRose View Post
    One thing Ive always wondered tho.... I know they prerecord a lot of that stuff and it used to be obvious in the days before wireless came along as you'd see the guitar and bass players and half the time they had no cables running from guitar to amp. You can fake with an electric guitar cuz they make little sound acoustically.. But what about the drums? How do they "fake"? Just curious
    One of my old bands did a lip-synched appearance on a local horror-host TV show back in the 1980s. The drummer just played softly. But the volume on the playback was loud enough that he could hit his symbols without drowning out what we were hearing. It was near performance level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRose View Post
    One thing Ive always wondered tho.... I know they prerecord a lot of that stuff and it used to be obvious in the days before wireless came along as you'd see the guitar and bass players and half the time they had no cables running from guitar to amp. You can fake with an electric guitar cuz they make little sound acoustically.. But what about the drums? How do they "fake"? Just curious
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