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    Default Hagstrom UltraSwede upgrade! Halp

    Hi everyone,
    Iím looking forward to upgrade my ultraswede (currently Hagstrom Custom 62 Humbuckers) to get more aggressive tones. I love to record some kind of experimental rock stuff: not properly fusion or industrial, but strange. Iíve got another guitar for good chimey tones, and Iíd like to upgrade this one to get more metal kind of tones for aggressive sections.
    Iíve been looking up for DiMarzios but theyíre definitely too expensive, it doesnít make much sense on this guitar. Seymour Duncanís offer is the hell wide, Iím confused. I like good cleans and clear distortions for chords or solos and for this reason I liked particularly the Mayhem set (from the sample) from the ceramics selections, even if there arenít splitted coils samples.
    Can anyone give me any advice? Iím getting mad to figure out a good choice in this ocean!
    Thank you really much in advance!!

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    The Mayhem set is pretty solid. It sounds even better if you swap alnico mags in. I recommend a double thick A8 in the bridge and an A9 in the neck. It's sort of half metal half classic which is cool. There are other pups that sound full metal such as the Black Winter set.

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    'Strange' and 'experimental' is probably close to stuff I like. I tend to use a more vintage-output set to process and boost down the line later. I don't want the tone to be compressed unless I throw a compressor in front. I want a cleaner sound in case I use a ton of reverb or delay. If I need a higher output, I boost the signal down the line, but I like to have the cleaner option. I stick to 59s, and Alnico II Pros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint 55 View Post
    The Mayhem set is pretty solid. It sounds even better if you swap alnico mags in. I recommend a double thick A8 in the bridge and an A9 in the neck. It's sort of half metal half classic which is cool. There are other pups that sound full metal such as the Black Winter set.
    You mean Alternative 8? Iíve listened now to it. I really hope the samples are highly reliable, from the audio I liked it for having clarity in the high frequencies, but I still prefer the Mayhem for che clarity overall. Many of this pickups are kinda muffled, especially the black winter set which I heard yesterday. I looking for an open and aggressive sound, some kind of late king crimson work...
    Thanks for your answer!
    Ps I canít find the Alternative 9...??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    'Strange' and 'experimental' is probably close to stuff I like. I tend to use a more vintage-output set to process and boost down the line later. I don't want the tone to be compressed unless I throw a compressor in front. I want a cleaner sound in case I use a ton of reverb or delay. If I need a higher output, I boost the signal down the line, but I like to have the cleaner option. I stick to 59s, and Alnico II Pros.
    Well yeah I donít know how to label what I record. Some times I use classical guitar, some times strato, but now Iím trying to get a good distortion tone. I mean, I used already the Custom 62 set, itís not that bad afterall but I want everything to be at best, itís kinda maniacal.
    My references are mostly king crimson late stuff, as earlier porcupine tree (Steven wilsonís) works.
    Much prog/fusion (Iím not that good tho lol). Iím not really into metal but inevitably some (like those) musicians perform between genres.
    I didnít like much the Alnico II Pros, thatís a real vintage tone. That doesnít mean I dislike classical tones, I firstly was looking for some kinda PAFs, but I think I need something more modern because those tones immediately reminds me of classic rock.
    However I fell deep in love with the Ď59 neck pickup. Thatís amazing. The Mayhem neck pickup is muffled, while the 59 has a dreamy clean and clear distortion (if I want to muffle it I just work on the eq, while itís quite difficult to do the opposite).
    This is a shame, I was looking for a set to save a bit but Iím really interested on the Mayhem bridge and Ď59 neck. Does the Mayhem pickups come separate from the set?
    Anyway, any other advice??
    Thank you really much for your answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by giulioskij View Post
    You mean Alternative 8? Iíve listened now to it. I really hope the samples are highly reliable, from the audio I liked it for having clarity in the high frequencies, but I still prefer the Mayhem for che clarity overall. Many of this pickups are kinda muffled, especially the black winter set which I heard yesterday. I looking for an open and aggressive sound, some kind of late king crimson work...
    Thanks for your answer!
    Ps I canít find the Alternative 9...??


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    A8 and A9 are magnet types.
    He is suggesting you swap magnets into the Mayhem set.

    If you like what you hear in the Mayhem set Iíd suggest installing that set, then afterwards you can always experiment with different magnets later if you feel it necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    A8 and A9 are magnet types.
    He is suggesting you swap magnets into the Mayhem set.

    If you like what you hear in the Mayhem set Iíd suggest installing that set, then afterwards you can always experiment with different magnets later if you feel it necessary.
    Well... I had no idea I could do that! What would change by doing it?
    Thank you for your elucidation, I was confused


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    Each magnet type has different tone qualities. Check this out.

    https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/t...pickup-magnets

    These are some of the more common magnets used in pickups. Not every type is represented here but it will give you some insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    Each magnet type has different tone qualities. Check this out.

    https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/t...pickup-magnets

    These are some of the more common magnets used in pickups. Not every type is represented here but it will give you some insight.
    Oh I know this thread! She did an awesome job, I passed one hour trying to scope all the differences. But I didnít know I could swap magnets in the humbuckers, Iím really surprised... so I can buy magnets on the Seymour Duncan site to swap them??


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    Try mojotone.com
    There are other sites, some serving Europe too. Hopefully some other members will post those sites for you, as Iím not familiar with them
    AFAIK, the Duncan site doesnít sell them.

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    Here's a demo of the black winter set in a hagstrom swede

    https://youtu.be/4yFm-eQ05Rw

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris effect View Post
    Here's a demo of the black winter set in a hagstrom swede

    https://youtu.be/4yFm-eQ05Rw

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    Wow, thank you!! I looked up for hagstromís videos but I never found this one! It was very useful. While black winter are some really good pickups, for the sound Iím looking for I think the Mayhem set sticks better... Iím only uncertain about the 59 neck which sounds really really great...


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    I have two mayhem sets and they're my favorite pickups. Great decision! I too like the 59 neck, it's probably my favorite vintage output neck humbucker. Pairs well with the distortion bridge

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris effect View Post
    I have two mayhem sets and they're my favorite pickups. Great decision! I too like the 59 neck, it's probably my favorite vintage output neck humbucker. Pairs well with the distortion bridge

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    I liked much the 59ís crystal clean tones as well as the sweet distortion lead ones. However I canít buy the Mayhem set and the 59 neck toghether... I hoped they sold the Mayhem bridge separately but I think Iíll like the Mayhem neck as well in the end...

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    Hagstrom? Agressive? Black Winters, naturally....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Hagstrom? Agressive? Black Winters, naturally....
    Ahah I know, they were my first choice. I wanted an aggressive but clear distortion bridge tone for chords. From what Iíve listened to, Mayhem seems to be less strictly into metal, a bit more versatile... am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giulioskij View Post
    I liked much the 59ís crystal clean tones as well as the sweet distortion lead ones. However I canít buy the Mayhem set and the 59 neck toghether... I hoped they sold the Mayhem bridge separately but I think Iíll like the Mayhem neck as well in the end...
    The 'Mayhem Set' is just an SH6 Distortion Bridge and an SH6 Distortion Neck sold as a pair. You can buy them separately / individually . 'Mayhem' is just what they called the set when sold together. You can even find the SH6 Distortion bridge with an SH1 59 neck or other neck pickups sold together like they are here


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    Quote Originally Posted by giulioskij View Post
    Ahah I know, they were my first choice. I wanted an aggressive but clear distortion bridge tone for chords. From what I’ve listened to, Mayhem seems to be less strictly into metal, a bit more versatile... am I wrong?
    I think the masses would say you have that backwards: distortion is purely metal, Black Winter is the more flexible version of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris effect View Post
    The 'Mayhem Set' is just an SH6 Distortion Bridge and an SH6 Distortion Neck sold as a pair. You can buy them separately / individually . 'Mayhem' is just what they called the set when sold together. You can even find the SH6 Distortion bridge with an SH1 59 neck or other neck pickups sold together like they are here


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEYMOUR-DUN...oAAMXQU6tQ~trA

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    Ok, I donít know if itís that Iím completely unaware of this world of humbuckers or that Iím more stupid than I thought. Now it definitely makes sense. Thank you very much, you saved the day lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris effect View Post
    The 'Mayhem Set' is just an SH6 Distortion Bridge and an SH6 Distortion Neck sold as a pair. You can buy them separately / individually . 'Mayhem' is just what they called the set when sold together. You can even find the SH6 Distortion bridge with an SH1 59 neck or other neck pickups sold together like they are here


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEYMOUR-DUN...oAAMXQU6tQ~trA

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    I just realised that the black winter comes as single bridge pickup as well! One never stops learning...

    ...aaaaand maybe Iíd go for it. I guess Iíd have some more original and heavy sounds with it (than with the distortion), right??

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