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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    My ADA MP-1 gives me a chub.
    At the end of the day, that is really all you need (well, and a power amp).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    The other side of this is that not everyone wants to re-create sounds that have been done 1000x before. There are lots of players interested in not basing what they do on an amp sound that is 50 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    My ADA MP-1 gives me a chub.
    Great - thanks for ruining the ADA-1 for me forever....
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    Great - thanks for ruining the ADA-1 for me forever....
    More for me, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirion View Post
    At the end of the day, that is really all you need (well, and a power amp).
    And/or a good speaker iR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zionstrat View Post
    They will roll off highs to remove masking with cymbols. They will remove low end to avoid masking against bass and drums keyboards etc. They will add dynamic fx to get the guitar to fit in the mix, they will add other fx to thicken the sound and in stereo environments they might use wide panning with light detune or delay for thickening

    if you are not familiar with this process, you will probably be amazed at how different a guitar sounds when it is soloed out from a good mix.
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    Which is probably why I yawn at the Kemper tones I hear. Guys are aping Album tones in the bedroom not realizing how it will sound in the mix. To that end - any old POD will do.....

    Kemper - meh.
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    well...looks to me like you asked the question on the wrong forum...maybe try the same question over on the Kemper forum...be sure to give use the link so we can follow your progress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Which is probably why I yawn at the Kemper tones I hear. Guys are aping Album tones in the bedroom not realizing how it will sound in the mix. To that end - any old POD will do.....

    Kemper - meh.
    I think you got it backwards, Bob.

    You don't have issues with the Kemper, or modeling for that effect.
    The "blah" bit in your tonal yuz recipe is the average guitar player getting uninspiring tones out of it.

    Someone like Devin Townsend or Steve Vai would make a Kemper sound godly, no doubt about it.
    I'd make it sound "meh" at best because I'm not that much of a tone connoisseur, or a great player.
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    I did see Tony Levin use 2 of them, one for his 5 string bass, one for the Chapman Stick. Great tones on bass.
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    Every criticism you’ve had has really been with people not using it “properly”, not the device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diego View Post
    I think you got it backwards, Bob.

    You don't have issues with the Kemper, or modeling for that effect.
    Never have. Been playing a Cube for 10 years or more.


    The "blah" bit in your tonal yuz recipe is the average guitar player getting uninspiring tones out of it.
    That, right there Diego! For all the buzz, or the criticism of the Device, its not coming from anyone who used it to do a damn thing worth listening to. That Tony Levin comment was the first time someone said anyone did anything cool with it.
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    Kemper/Fractal stuff while good from performance /tonal perspective is not something that I feel is great to have for beginners to improve their playing skills. Here I would want a device like the GNX4 from digitech from last ten years ago or so. That thing was the best thing by design for a new learner to buy to improve his skills playing in a band or working on creating music. It wasnt the easiest unit out there to get great sounds on but the best practice unit for a guitarist. Presently there are current gen Zoom units that are good & cheap for that stuff & dont sound horrid but still not quite like the all in one gnx series. Wish some company could come out with something like that again.

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    Everyone is missing the real issue with Kempers / Fractals etc etc - Roadies the world over are now out of work!

    Won't somebody think of the roadies!!!!?

    I've never played one, but I love the imperfections and nuance I get from tube amps. I do loath lugging them around though..

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    Are there any examples of guitarists whose tone has improved markedly when they went to Kemper? I will admit not having kept up, but I can really hear when Accept switched to Kempers in the studio (Stalingrad), and their guitar tones have never been as good as they were on the last album before that (Blood of the Nations).

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    Yeah they went from big, beefy/ballsy & organic (Blood Of The Nations) to kinda thin & lifeless (Stalingrad)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirion View Post
    Are there any examples of guitarists whose tone has improved markedly when they went to Kemper? I will admit not having kept up, but I can really hear when Accept switched to Kempers in the studio (Stalingrad), and their guitar tones have never been as good as they were on the last album before that (Blood of the Nations).
    Don't know about these players Kemper tone, but on the artist list there are some big names like Steve Winwood, Pat Methany, Steve Morse, producers Michael Wagener and Andy Sneap beside the brutal tones. https://www.kemper-amps.com/artist-gallery

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    Seems like all the artists either:
    1. Have bad backs
    2. Their roadies have bad backs
    3. Work for another artist that doesn’t let them have amps on stage
    4. Or got paid a little something something on the side to smile and point to a Kemper in a rack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirion View Post
    Are there any examples of guitarists whose tone has improved markedly when they went to Kemper?
    Improved over what? The Kemper is arguably no better than the amplifiers it profiles...but also no worse.

    There are tons of pros who now tour with a Kemper in place of their traditional heads and amps. Most of the time, especially for established bands, they're simply looking for the "same" tone in a more convenient package, not improvements.

    Besides "improved" is such a subjective word and there's hardly a way to measure it.

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