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    Question Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    This is part of a new wiring scheme I'm working on, and I wonder how much isolation there is of the three lower strings from the three upper strings. Has anyone done this?

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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    It was rumored on here years ago that the VR and DB were the same as a Cool Rails and a Lil 59 wired in parallel respectively.
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    Yeah, I kinda figured that out, but I was wondering how much is lost due to no pole pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtieToo View Post
    Yeah, I kinda figured that out, but I was wondering how much is lost due to no pole pieces.
    That's a great question. I guess one way to guesstimate the effects of that would be to pull a pole piece from a DB and see if it goes down deep enough to contact the bottom loaded rail or if it's more cosmetic in nature. If it doesn't touch the rail, then, you should be good to split.
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    The other thing I could do, is install the one I have, and test it for myself.

    Maybe later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtieToo View Post
    The other thing I could do, is install the one I have, and test it for myself.

    Maybe later this week.
    I mean...you *could* do that... Lol
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    I'm getting lazy in my old age.

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    Hey. If you ever want to figure out the most efficient way of doing something, hire a lazy person to do it. You'll get the fastest way from A to B. ��
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    If you do install it, I'd love to know the answer to this. I's also like to know what kind of crazy wiring only needs 3 strings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    If you do install it, I'd love to know the answer to this. I's also like to know what kind of crazy wiring only needs 3 strings.
    Well, maybe not too crazy. Imagine a typical HH axe with, say, 59's. Neck pups are often characterized as being "muddy", and sometimes bridge pups as too bright. What if you put a Vintage Rails in the middle, (to make it HSH), and wired it such that when the neck pup was on, you'd have the "top 3" half of the VR. And when the bridge pup was on, you'd have the "bottom 3" half. The extra coil on could also add a little harmonic complexity, ala "Strat quack-ish". Might be an interesting experiment.

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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    I could also see the having a neck & middle VR, and having the high strings on the neck pickup, and the low ones on the middle. I guess there are all kinds of things you can do here- I'd imagine that kind of thing has been done, I just haven't read about it here.
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    That's an interesting idea also.

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    What guitar is this for? The "neck too dark, bridge too bright" issue can be easily solved by more conventional means (fiddling with magnets and pot values is a lot easier and more flexible). It's an interesting idea for sure, but when you have two coils in parallel the lower output one tends to dominate the sound. On the 3 strings that aren't being detected by the middle pickup, it still creates parallel resistance and will affect the sound, which may negate the advantages of having it there in the first place.
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    It's not for any specific guitar. It's just one of those off-the-wall wiring ideas I get from time to time. More of an intellectual exercise than anything. And partly because I was curious as to how a VR or Duck would sound split. It's definitely not a practical way to solve a simple problem.

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    Here’s what I’m thinking, and tell me how I’m wrong. The pole pieces or blade really serve to magnetize the strings, and the coil is sensing the vibration of the magnetized strings. So I think you’d get output from the “inactive”’ strings if the active coil does go under them and right next door the blade/pole pieces are still magnetizing the strings, just less so. I’m sure your question is will it be 10%, 50% or 90% and that’s a great question...
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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    That's a good point, and one I hadn't considered. For this to work, I'd probably need one of those pups like on a G&L, that appear to be truly two small coils. Kinda like a P-bass pup. I guess I should just mount the VR in a conventional single coil slot that I have, and split it to see what the difference is.

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    Why do it in the first place?

    Both of those pick ups, in full parallel (that’s how they usually wired) humbucking mode quack fantastically with just about everything.

    I really don’t see any need to do that.


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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    I do think there is value in experimenting with ideas like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcorey View Post
    Why do it in the first place?

    Both of those pick ups, and full parallel (thatís how they usually wired) humbucking mode quack fantastically with just about everything.

    I really donít see any need to do that.
    It's just an experiment. I do lots of wiring and diagrams. It helps me to know what works and what doesn't. And, it's fun.

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    Default Re: Has anyone ever "split" a Vintage Rails or Duckbucker?

    On further investigation, G&L already does this on their Commanche Studio axe with the Z-coil pickups. So it's already been done. I'm going to try it anyway, but there's nothing new here.

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