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    Default Amp that could get close to this tone?

    This is the tone:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_N8wNmi9B40
    That is the sound I seek. However, I do also value my clean tone. Is there an amp out there that will get me within this ballpark of tone with a decent clean channel as well? Assuming a Marshall of some kind? Silver Jubilee? I am trying to avoid buying 2 amps. Thanks!

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    My Marshall Origin 20 isn't far off.

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    I have a Marshall DSL20HR that I play through
    a vertical 2x12 loaded with a Greenback and a
    Vintage 30 and I can get that tone no problemo.
    Cleans are also very good. Check one out!

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    Great sound.

    The Jubilee is indeed a good call, because it has a clean channel and it can get that type of distortion quality at controlled volume levels on its lead channel. The mini Jubilee is also cathode biased so accepts 5881s without needing to re-bias for closer to that sound. But the 100 Watt 2555x reissue will also accept 6L6GC or KT66 with an easy re-bias.

    If rolling back the guitar volume for cleaner tone will do, then also consider the new Marshall SV20 mini plexi. It could probably nail that sound with 5881s and it is cathode biased. The Origin is a good lower cost alternative.

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    Most any Boogie...any Mark, Express, Lonestar, Heartbreaker, DC Series, et. al. Even Rectos.

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    great sound -Humbuckers into a most any 6L6 amp you can hit hard with vintage speakers.

    Literally 100s of options.
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    Thanks all.

    Ironically there is a ‘66 Bassman at my local GC for an acceptable price. I’ve done a lot of research and it looks like if you remove the tone stack on the bass input it essentially becomes a 2 channel amp with an A/B switch. That way I could have one channel cranked and one channel clean. Would I need a master volume?

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    Back in the day I spent some time modifying and eventually restoring to stock an AB165 Bassman. To be honest I think you will be wasting your time and money trying to turn a vintage Bassman into a channel switching amp.

    A Vintage Bassman gets that sound from overdriving the power amp. It's not a matter of having a clean preamp channel and a dirty preamp channel channel and equalizing the volume. The amp needs to be run full blast to get that reference sound. A master volume will also cause you to not get that sound.

    The best way to get loud, good, cleans, and switch on the fly to a great overdrive distortion is with an amp designed to do that. Designed from a clean sheet of paper.

    A non master volume amps usually clean up good by just rolling the guitar volume back a little bit and/or by easing up a little on the pick attack, but your running the amp loud to get the distortion.

    Another proven strategy with a vintage non master volume amp is to run a pedal in front of the amp with the amp itself running on the edge of breakup.

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    Jesus, thats about the best JTM 45 tone I've heard from a Fender!! Not surprising really given Marshall was essentially an English Bassman
    Certainly it would have been blisteringly loud in the room.

    Agree with the above.....you will have huge issues with volume if you do an a/b.
    Its either plexi pedal into clean platform or something which is designed around getting jtm tone but with a master volume.

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    ^^^
    My current consensus as well. I’ll go do my homework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexR View Post
    ...... or something which is designed around getting jtm tone but with a master volume.
    That's the Marshall Vintage Modern. They are not very expensive on the used market either. The combo is already equipped with Greenbacks. However, they are not channel switching amps. They do respond good to rolling down the guitar volume, though.

    That leads us back to the Jubilee for Marshall.

    The Mesa Boogie Fillmore series looks interesting for this application.

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    Check out the Marshall Astoria Dual. It is channel switching and loaded with KT66's. It has the gain & bark of a Marshall while definitely retaining the Fender lineage.

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    The Friedman Dirty Shirley seems like it fits the bill well. Not an attractive price though!

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    Can someone tell me more about the Mesa side of the story? How close would something like a Road King get to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StratKid View Post
    Can someone tell me more about the Mesa side of the story? How close would something like a Road King get to this?
    It should be able to. If I were trying to get a similar tone from a Road King (or any Recto) I'd use one of the dirty channels set to vintage with the gain around 12 o'clock or a bit less.

    A Marshall Jubilee (including the Mini / Studio) will also do tones like that if you're not sure about a Mesa or don't want to spend so much.
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    And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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    Hey, that Blackface Bassman sounds just like my Blackface Bassman!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dystrust View Post
    It should be able to. If I were trying to get a similar tone from a Road King (or any Recto) I'd use one of the dirty channels set to vintage with the gain around 12 o'clock or a bit less.

    A Marshall Jubilee (including the Mini / Studio) will also do tones like that if you're not sure about a Mesa or don't want to spend so much.
    Both of these amps are on my hot list right now. The Mesa seems like the "Ultimate Amp" but there are so many bells and whistles that I would just not use. The Marshall also seems like a good option, however it has more of a JCM sound to it, vs the Plexi/JTM/early Bassman-Marshall tone that seems better suited. I am stuck.

    The Friedman Dirty Shirley 40 increasingly seems like a solid amp for the tone I seek at the current moment. The price does run with the best of 'em though. Thanks all for help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StratKid View Post
    Both of these amps are on my hot list right now. The Mesa seems like the "Ultimate Amp" but there are so many bells and whistles that I would just not use. The Marshall also seems like a good option, however it has more of a JCM sound to it, vs the Plexi/JTM/early Bassman-Marshall tone that seems better suited. I am stuck.

    The Friedman Dirty Shirley 40 increasingly seems like a solid amp for the tone I seek at the current moment. The price does run with the best of 'em though. Thanks all for help.
    I have a JTM45 and a couple of Jubilees. I can get either to sound like the other. It's a lot easier using the Jubilee to get it sounding like the JTM clean or dirty at the needed volume level, though. With the mini you can try different power tubes without worrying about bias, and it does make a difference with that amp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lake Placid Blues View Post
    I have a JTM45 and a couple of Jubilees. I can get either to sound like the other. It's a lot easier using the Jubilee to get it sounding like the JTM clean or dirty at the needed volume level, though. With the mini you can try different power tubes without worrying about bias, and it does make a difference with that amp.
    +1

    The Mini / Studio Jubilee is extremely responsive to different tube types; much more so than my 2555. I can also confirm that the clean channel on both is very JTM-like, while the overdrive channel is its own thing. It's fatter than a JCM800 with a rather different feel; almost an early AIC Bogner thing without being so squishy. I'm confident that I run my Jubilees quite a bit dirtier than LPB does, so rest assured that there's a pretty wide variety of tones available.
    Quote Originally Posted by crusty philtrum View Post
    And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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    Yes, with the mini Jubilee throwing a set of KT66s reduced the distortion on the overdrive channel, at the same preamp gain setting, and made it rather JTM like. 5881s would probably do similarly and would fit in the head shell easier. MJs are not real expensive used now. At least not in the same price brackets as Friedman.

    I have only ever ran EL34s in my original Jubilee because the bias range is too narrow to bias up non EL34s without breaking out the soldering iron. The reissue 2555 can run a wide variety of octal power tubes with a user service-able biasing system, though.

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