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    Dear Forum !
    I have an ES335 which came with supposedly a set of 57/57+ classics though it appears that the bridge is really just another classic (7.88/8.03).
    I have swapped the magnets for rough cast A3/ rough cast unoriented A5 which are getting me there but still can tell the difference in lack of openness, airiness, - articulation is pretty good - but just not the same tonal feel as my other 335's with Ants and Manlius 59LT(long A3). Would I gain anything by unpotting these ? Is it easy to do - I've read you can do it with a simple hair dryer? Or should I just get other pick ups ? I play jazz & blues , 60's/70's rock. THX!

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    You cannot unpot a pickup in any meaningful way.
    You might be able to remove wax from under the cover. And you can remove the wax from the outer layer (or two) of the wind.
    Thats as far as you'll get though.......its been tried - and the pickup cut open to see how far 'de-potting goes.

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    Most of the tone isnít in the wax. If mags and screws donít get you there, another pickup will.
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    I am currently using Skullcandy headphones I found in the garbage.
    I did find the DS-1 in the garbage.
    I once found a guitar amp in the garbage, a Peavey Studio 110. It caught fire at the first gig I played it at.. But it was at the end of it, thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaubrummels View Post
    Most of the tone isnít in the wax. If mags and screws donít get you there, another pickup will.
    Thanks for your reply. I forgot to mention that I have been adjusting the poles as well as mag changes. My amps are 6V6 and EL 84 driven in the 15 watt and under class , Celestion Alnico Blue speakers so yeah, I also like clean and bright in my tone.

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    Default Re: Should I Unpot 57 Classics ?

    Yeah, I thought it sounded a little too simple. Thanks for your reply !

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexR View Post
    You cannot unpot a pickup in any meaningful way.
    You might be able to remove wax from under the cover. And you can remove the wax from the outer layer (or two) of the wind.
    Thats as far as you'll get though.......its been tried - and the pickup cut open to see how far 'de-potting goes.
    Truth.

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    If you play at any decent volumes you should never use unpotted pickups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    If you play at any decent volumes you should never use unpotted pickups.
    That is only true with high gain. He's playing "clean and bright" AND he likes his other two sets of unpotted pickups so another set should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    If you play at any decent volumes you should never use unpotted pickups.
    What, like Jimmy Page, Clapton, ZZ Top, AC/DC and every other player who has rocked vintage humbuckers and played stadiums???

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    Guys, I doubt they used unpotted pickups live. If they did , you'd know.

    I got bad feedback playing through a non-master volume msrshall with no effects. Don't take my word for it. Try it yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    Guys, I doubt they used unpotted pickups live. If they did , you'd know.
    They did. The original PAF's weren't potted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    Guys, I doubt they used unpotted pickups live. If they did , you'd know.

    I got bad feedback playing through a non-master volume msrshall with no effects. Don't take my word for it. Try it yourself.
    IME As long as you stand more than 3-4 feet away from the front 30 degrees of the cones of the cabinet, you can run a 45-50 watt Marshall nearly flat out with a guitar using unpotted PAFs without a problem and even stand 2-3 feet slightly off axis of the cab and turn in 90 degrees to the cabinet and get nicely controlled feedback to make certain notes sing. With 100 watts just add a foot or two to the distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarFanatic
    I am currently using Skullcandy headphones I found in the garbage.
    I did find the DS-1 in the garbage.
    I once found a guitar amp in the garbage, a Peavey Studio 110. It caught fire at the first gig I played it at.. But it was at the end of it, thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    Guys, I doubt they used unpotted pickups live. If they did , you'd know.

    I got bad feedback playing through a non-master volume msrshall with no effects. Don't take my word for it. Try it yourself.
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    Default Re: Should I Unpot 57 Classics ?

    I play unpotted, covered pickups and piezos in my semi hollow alleykat through 100 watt marshalls and riveras all the time with dirt boxes and gain channels.

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    Default Re: Should I Unpot 57 Classics ?

    I pretty much "un-potted" a Duncan 59' (covered) by leaving it in my car on a very hot day. When I opened the box (it was basically new) all the wax had seeped into the foam packaging material! It sounds great though! Still somewhat potted I'm sure...…..happy accident.
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    I have a full hollow body with 57 classics. Iím pretty sure potting is minimal if at all on those. They are pretty microphonic and that guitar has a lot of bite even if I use half rounds on it. Itís also very prone to feedback in a rehearsal room.


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    In this case, I think it is a matter of not liking the pickups. You went through everything you are supposed to in trying to make them work for you. Get some Seth Lovers and be happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    Guys, I doubt they used unpotted pickups live. If they did , you'd know.

    I got bad feedback playing through a non-master volume msrshall with no effects. Don't take my word for it. Try it yourself.
    Best simply not to post - if by doing so you inevitably embarrass yourself as per here.

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    Default Re: Should I Unpot 57 Classics ?

    lets keep things civil guys

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