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    Default Re: Kemper Profiler: Never been more disappointed in a purchase

    They have a long list of young and, uhm, mature, users, but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarStv View Post
    To be fair, Knopfler is 69 years old and has been a gigging musician (at volume) for most of those years. As great a guitar player as he is, I'd be shocked if his hearing is as good as your average 50 year old, let alone your average 20 year old . . . so I'm not sure his endorsement really means all that much.
    new level of stupid discovered...So Mark Knopfler, his band mates, his tech and the audiences are all listening to him play digital crap and loving it...just because???here is an opportunity to break the current stupidity record....

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    I just pointed out that Knopfler's hearing is likely not what it once was (especially for his hearing of higher frequencies). Didn't say anything about 'digital crap', his tech, or audiences. As you appear to be an expert on the matter . . . is there a stupidity record for reading comprehension?
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    You win that one too...the post you initially replied to dealt with his touring using Kemper...can you guess what that might entail???

    To get back to the actual topic...Knopfler's use of the Kemper would support the fact that it is a viable tool for high caliber professionals....it is not a Line 6 Pod...
    Agreed that it may not be for everyone...many of Knopfler's level still see fit to perform with tube amps...to each his own...

    As a side note: it was reported that MK’s tech spent 4 months getting the profiles set up for him...
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    Many "touring professionals" used PODs too.

    Knopfler may be a guy who knows it sounds "more than good enough" for the audience through the PA du Jour.

    He keeps his Vintage amps at home. See Kemper thread.

    Maybe he is a BOTH a tone conneseur and a pragmatic. I have a Little Tweed Fender class A and some Boo-Tees pedals and vintage Gibsons over in that corner.

    I also have a Solid state Peavey and a midline Ibanez and a Zoom pedal too....Don't have to be one or the other.
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    I donít know about anybody else but my tone goal isnít to have a guitar tone that is ďgood enough for the audienceĒ. I serve a higher critic...me.
    When I was 15 years old and first picked up the guitar I never said to myself ďman, I canít wait until Iím good enough so the audience doesnít know the difference ď...
    I strive to be the best I possibly can so that I can first and foremost I please myself.
    Then and only then can I go onstage and put out my 100%.
    And at the end of the gig when somebody comes up to you and gives you a compliment....then I know that Iíve pleased the audience too.

    Man, I hate when I hear musicians talking only about pleasing a bunch of barroom drunks. So some disgusting slob can grind up against a pole because youíre playing ďCrazy B*tchĒ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Many "touring professionals" used PODs too.
    Could we see a list of those Line 6 POD touring pros? Never seen a little red kidney shaped thing at a live show but they are small so I'd like to know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    I don’t know about anybody else but my tone goal isn’t to have a guitar tone that is “good enough for the audience”. I serve a higher critic...me.

    Man, I hate when I hear musicians talking only about pleasing a bunch of barroom drunks. So some disgusting slob can grind up against a pole because you’re playing “Crazy B*tch”....
    Man, I hate when I hear musicians talking only about pleasing themselves. So some overly ego-centric guy with a guitar can spend half a song futzing with knobs on an amp and the floor, and frowning the rest of time on the verge of tears, and you’re playing some Robin Trower song that nobody in whole bar gives a damn about or knows...

    See how that works the other way too? And seen it more than enough times to believe that when we are arguing about the sound of a POD vs a Kemper vs a Vintage, we are way the other way. In a blind test, on that stage, you likely couldn't tell a POD from Kemper, let alone a Kemper from an amp.

    I get what you are saying - but at some point you have diminishing returns. IMO, after POD 2.0 it was there IMO. Yeah - I love it when I can hear myself, the band, and everything sounds great. I like to play and sound my best. But again - at some point, there is more than the performance: Load in, load out, cost, space, maintenance, flexibility, blah blah, blah.
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    I think the usual barroom / backyard party patrons have some sense of good tone... especially those of our generation who grew up on 70's - 80's rock.
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    Safe to say that if you show up with a Gorilla practice amp, the crowd is going to gravitate towards the other dude with the stack...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    Safe to say that if you show up with a Gorilla practice amp, the crowd is going to gravitate towards the other dude with the stack...

    This is why I always show up with the lightest rig possible and wireless transmitters so I can run around the stage and do guitar swings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Man, I hate when I hear musicians talking only about pleasing themselves. So some overly ego-centric guy with a guitar can spend half a song futzing with knobs on an amp and the floor, and frowning the rest of time on the verge of tears, and youíre playing some Robin Trower song that nobody in whole bar gives a damn about or knows...

    See how that works the other way too? And seen it more than enough times to believe that when we are arguing about the sound of a POD vs a Kemper vs a Vintage, we are way the other way. In a blind test, on that stage, you likely couldn't tell a POD from Kemper, let alone a Kemper from an amp.

    I get what you are saying - but at some point you have diminishing returns. IMO, after POD 2.0 it was there IMO. Yeah - I love it when I can hear myself, the band, and everything sounds great. I like to play and sound my best. But again - at some point, there is more than the performance: Load in, load out, cost, space, maintenance, flexibility, blah blah, blah.
    Yeah, I get your point too. I can only speak for myself but I try to maintain as much of a balance between your points and mine. I wonít lie...lugging in an amp and speaker cab and etc, etc. isnít fun.
    And Iíve never played a kemper. I have had several multi fx units and hated every one of them. Maybe Iíd love he kemper....who knows.
    But I do take a certain pride in having a good tone. Even if Iím the only one that cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Man, I hate when I hear musicians talking only about pleasing themselves. So some overly ego-centric guy with a guitar can spend half a song futzing with knobs on an amp and the floor, and frowning the rest of time on the verge of tears, and you’re playing some Robin Trower song that nobody in whole bar gives a damn about or knows...

    See how that works the other way too? And seen it more than enough times to believe that when we are arguing about the sound of a POD vs a Kemper vs a Vintage, we are way the other way. In a blind test, on that stage, you likely couldn't tell a POD from Kemper, let alone a Kemper from an amp.

    I get what you are saying - but at some point you have diminishing returns. IMO, after POD 2.0 it was there IMO. Yeah - I love it when I can hear myself, the band, and everything sounds great. I like to play and sound my best. But again - at some point, there is more than the performance: Load in, load out, cost, space, maintenance, flexibility, blah blah, blah.
    I think musicians forget that their show should be entertaining, as well as sounding good. And Kempers are amazing, but I don't know. A friend of mine just bought a Helix and he's truly going rogue, with specific amp selections for each song and I'm just waiting for him to hit the wrong patch live and having a panic attack or something afterwards.

    Having less options has worked fine for decades for countless musicians, hasn't it?

    I've seen Marty Friedman playing Marshalls, Crate and ENGL amps, and using Ibanez, Jackson and Gibsons. It always sounds like him and he kills.
    He just plays the **** out of his guitar and has a band that puts a bigger show than him live. Not a bunch of goofy session players.

    That's rock and roll. I like strong live performances. I like attitude and bravado and having a blast. And having a set and forget rig is kind of essential for that, so you can just play and deliver your absolute best. If you can do that while scrolling through a trillion mic placement patches on one foot, more power to you. I can't.
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    I want to clarify my above comment about having a good tone for my sake....
    I donít want anyone to think that when we gig itís all about my tone....
    Itís absolutely about putting on a show.
    We are all over the stage, interacting with each other and the crowd. The singer is out in the audience doing his thing...if the stage has risers we are up on them playing solos etc....
    In no way are we playing obscure songs that nobody knows. Every song we play is or was a radio hit on some level.
    None of that is lost on me.
    All I was trying to say is that I need good tone for me...and by having that, it translates into good tone for the audience and a good overall band sound.
    Thatís win-win.
    Iím not ok with having a ďgood enoughĒ tone for a bar full of people that probably donít know any better anyway. Hell, most people (non musicians) couldnít tell the difference between a guitar and a bass in a mix anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    But I do take a certain pride in having a good tone. Even if I’m the only one that cares.
    Absolutely. The best guitarists (the ones with talent and who love what they're doing) don't just take their playing seriously... but their tone also.

    All aspects matter; no one else will take you seriously if you don't take your muse (and corresponding gear) seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    I’m not ok with having a “good enough” tone
    I don't think anyone one is. Not to put words in anyone's mouths but I think the point some are trying to make is you can get a great tone without spending thousands of dollars. If you have a Peavey Bandit, mid-range Ibanez and a DS1 you can get the job done if need be. There are many reasons why people play what they play. Preferences, geographics, economics, ease-of-use and a pile of other factors come to mind. I don't think "good enough" is one of those factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gtrjunior View Post
    I want to clarify my above comment about having a good tone for my sake....
    I don’t want anyone to think that when we gig it’s all about my tone....
    It’s absolutely about putting on a show.
    We are all over the stage, interacting with each other and the crowd. The singer is out in the audience doing his thing...if the stage has risers we are up on them playing solos etc....
    In no way are we playing obscure songs that nobody knows. Every song we play is or was a radio hit on some level.
    None of that is lost on me.
    All I was trying to say is that I need good tone for me...and by having that, it translates into good tone for the audience and a good overall band sound.
    That’s win-win.
    I’m not ok with having a “good enough” tone for a bar full of people that probably don’t know any better anyway. Hell, most people (non musicians) couldn’t tell the difference between a guitar and a bass in a mix anyway.
    I knew what you meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PS412 View Post
    I knew what you meant.
    I think we all did. If you are not digging your live tone your mind is not in the game and it affects the show. It is not enjoyable to play something "good enough". If you are not enjoying yourself chances are the audience is not enjoying themselves.

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    Yeah..agreed but there's a difference between having good tone & being anal about tone to the point that it gets annoying for the crowd. There's nothing a crowd likes less than a band that takes ages to set up and then stops after every song so the guitarist/s can switch amp's/guitars & tweak their tone to *perfection* over & over & over again. Tone is great and all..but set things up reasonably quick to your satisfaction (which should be fairly easy going if you gig a lot..) & then rock out/don't look back.
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    And none of it matters without a decent monitor system.

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