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    I wasn't gonna go look at this guitar, let alone buy it....especially when I saw the Kahler, but I figured it would be a nice drive.

    A 1971 Les Paul Custom.

    This guitar was taken to the repair shop that I bought it from for a headstock crack repair, a refret and to remove a piece of leather that was glued on the back of the body.

    BACKSTORY...the original owner took this guitar to Gibson in Kalamazoo, before they went to Nashville...so before 1984...and had the Kahler installed at the factory. It has all original electronics...Patent Sticker pickups, 1971 pots and original toggle.

    So this guy takes it to the shop for the repair and restoration work. The work is completed and he did an AWESOME JOB...he calls the owner to come pick it up. The owner doesn't pay the bill, he abandons the guitar completely!!!! So the shop owner is stuck with it and no pay for the repairs. He listed it for sale locally...I saw the ad and I decided to go give it a whirl.

    I had never been to this shop before. He does repairs, setups, refinishes, custom builds, etc. A super cool dude. His workmanship is incredible! The work he did on this 71 LPC is incredible! The repairs he did on the headstock and the back of the body are nearly invisible....and he reliced the areas to match the checking to the original finish on the rest of the guitar!

    The fretwork is great...he refretted it with jumbo wire and it feels great! It sets up really nice!!! It weighs 10.5 lbs. The neck is a medium C...probably about .850 at the first.

    The Kahler is unfortunate, but cool at the same time....being properly setup, it performs very well and is not a tone sucker. The patent sticker PAFs sound KILLER!!!!!

    I'm glad I made the trip....I took home a wonderful Les Paul!!!



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    I saw a white one in the early 80's just like that @ my local shop. If you would have told me back then i could have that LPC if i cut off my right arm you'd be looking at a one arm man now. I do have a LPC now but no Kahler nor would i want one.

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    Cool guitar. Great story!

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    that fretboard is daaaaaaark. love it

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    Is there documentation of the factory Kahler installation?

    If it was actually done by Gibson, it must have been on a Friday late afternoon.
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    While you had the strings off, why didn't you pull the Kahler and take pix of the routing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    Is there documentation of the factory Kahler installation?

    If it was actually done by Gibson, it must have been on a Friday late afternoon.
    I expected some sort of **** comment from you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTGoober View Post
    While you had the strings off, why didn't you pull the Kahler and take pix of the routing?

    I actually haven’t had the strings off yet. Some of those pics are from the shop owner.
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    Cool!

    It looks like a fun guitar to play with the Kahler.
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    Reminds me of some of the Les Paul Customs that Robert Fripp would play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogie Bill View Post
    Cool guitar. Great story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarStv View Post
    Cool!

    It looks like a fun guitar to play with the Kahler.
    Thanks bro!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blakejcan View Post
    that fretboard is daaaaaaark. love it

    Thanks dude!
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    If i ever did have a Paul w/a trem i would want this one over a FR.

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    Cool guitar, looks like a good find. A couple of questions, is the Kahler reversible? Do you think the screws in the headstock for the locking system are the reason for the headstock break?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d1dsj View Post
    Cool guitar, looks like a good find. A couple of questions, is the Kahler reversible? Do you think the screws in the headstock for the locking system are the reason for the headstock break?
    Reversable like in pull up ? Most Kahlers are on a one way spring loaded cam. And tons of Gibson'd break the headstock with no trem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    Is there documentation of the factory Kahler installation?

    If it was actually done by Gibson, it must have been on a Friday late afternoon.
    Is it crooked, or is that the angle of the photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMP/HBE View Post
    Reversable like in pull up ? Most Kahlers are on a one way spring loaded cam. And tons of Gibson'd break the headstock with no trem.
    Sorry, no I meant can it be changed back to a stop tail and abr bridge? And ref the headstock break, I know it’s a weak point but you’d think that Gibson themselves would have questioned fitting a locking device into such a vulnerable weak spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB_From_Hell View Post
    Is it crooked, or is that the angle of the photo?
    It's very crooked.

    Sometimes they were a bit crooked, even when they came stock with Kahlers in the '80s. But this is the most extreme example I've seen a picture of. Possibly because of being retrofitted to a guitar from a pre-Kahler era, which might have had a sharper bridge angle.

    Also, is that a fingerprint in the refinished volute area (that part with the checking that doesn't match the checking on the rest of the guitar)?
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    I do a few chord things, some crappy lead stuff, and then some rhythm stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d1dsj View Post
    Sorry, no I meant can it be changed back to a stop tail and abr bridge? And ref the headstock break, I know it’s a weak point but you’d think that Gibson themselves would have questioned fitting a locking device into such a vulnerable weak spot?
    That type of Kahler had to be routed, not a flush mount.

    The trem does look off center to me and thats not good IMO as far as resale.

    10lb LPC with broken neck & crooked trem, hope the OP didn't pay alot.
    But really if it plays well nobody would notice except people on guitar forums lol.

    I could learn to love it.
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