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    what are the benefits of wrapping your strings around the tailpiece, like Zakk Wylde and many other les paul players do?
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    Default Re: wrap around tailpiece on LP

    here ya go...i made this AMAZING super high quality diagram for another thread like this...lol...ok so the diagram sucks but it gives you the info you need...



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    XSSIVE,will wrapping around "stain" or scratch the tailpice?
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    THANKS!
    I never even noticed the string were touching the back of the bridge
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    Default Re: wrap around tailpiece on LP

    Some says it will give you more sustain. The only difference I felt, was that it made it easier to bend the strings.
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    pac...yeah it will scratch the tailpiece over time but it's no big deal, tailpieces are cheap so pick up a replacement one and top wrap with that and save the stock one for if you want to go back to normal or sell the guitar.

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    thanks bro. my LP on steroids is coming real soon. thats why i'm asking. heheheh.
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    Thanks for the tip!

    I'm gonna try this on my Epi... The tail piece can suffer a little bit, the guitar is of an ugly yellowish color anyway.

    Wouldn't try with the gibson though... Moreover the silver finish of the epi is more resistant to frictions then the golden finish of the gibson.
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    I use the wrap-around method on all my Gibson Guitars.

    I just think it looks cooler, and gives a little bit better tone.
    I'm not sure if I the only one that noticed this, but it might actually lower the action a little bit--I could be wrong on that, though.
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    I don't like the look.......plus I like my tailpieces shiny.
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    If it helps with sustain is still debatable. I think it may on some guitars, and not on othere. What WILL increase sustain and tone is to go with a lightweight aluminum tailpiece AND the hardened steel stud inserts.

    What top wrapping does do is DECREASE pressure on the bridge, which over time will collapse or begin to bend forward....many vintage guitars have this problem. Having the strings off the back of the bridge is probably the biggest benefit. I also find the action to be easier, which is always good. In short, I top wrap all of my TOM type bridges. I don't worry about the scratches on the tailpiece, because you always put strings back on...right? So the strings cover any groves or scratches. The only time you really notice them is when the strings are off. How often is that?

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    Locking studs, lightweight aluminum tailpiece... wraparound bridge style = TONE!!! The Gibson Les Paul Special just keeps on singing. I wish the LP Standard I had a few years ago did that.

    Wraparound definitely has more sustain to my ears. Less moving parts equals better string transfer . The only downside is that the guitar will never be "perfectly" intonated (although my guitar tech did such a good job that I can't hear a single thing even slightly off)
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    If it's good enough for Billy Gibbons, it's good enough for Scott_F. Scott_F has all his Les Pauls top wrapped, all have Tone Pros bridges and Tone Pros locking studs. Scott_F likes locking studs. All Scott_F's LP's have lightweight aluminum tail pieces.

    Scott_F heard all the hubbub about steel inserts into the guitar to accept the threaded studs. Scott_F held a magnet to his inserts after he took off the studs and found them to be magnetic and therefore were not the brass stuff that everyone on the LPF was bashing. This might be because scott_F's LP's are Historic reissues, but probably not. The LPF also has a big hubbub about the studs themeselves being steel. The rumor has it that the tonepros stuff is plated brass. Scott_F doesn't care. Scott_F knows tone is good and that is all that Scott_F cares about. That and Scott_F loves the easier bends, lack of broken strings due to the steep angle when not topwrapping.

    Scott_F loves to topwrap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_F
    If it's good enough for Billy Gibbons, it's good enough for Scott_F. Scott_F has all his Les Pauls top wrapped, all have Tone Pros bridges and Tone Pros locking studs. Scott_F likes locking studs. All Scott_F's LP's have lightweight aluminum tail pieces.

    Scott_F heard all the hubbub about steel inserts into the guitar to accept the threaded studs. Scott_F held a magnet to his inserts after he took off the studs and found them to be magnetic and therefore were not the brass stuff that everyone on the LPF was bashing. This might be because scott_F's LP's are Historic reissues, but probably not. The LPF also has a big hubbub about the studs themeselves being steel. The rumor has it that the tonepros stuff is plated brass. Scott_F doesn't care. Scott_F knows tone is good and that is all that Scott_F cares about. That and Scott_F loves the easier bends, lack of broken strings due to the steep angle when not topwrapping.

    Scott_F loves to topwrap.

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    Has Scott_F become Low Wang.....or Jimmy from Sienfeld.

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    Default Re: wrap around tailpiece on LP

    I'm gonna be the odd man out, I'm afraid, but I have never noticed that big of a difference in tone between one or the other, and I found the sustain to actually decrease when I went over the tailpiece.

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    Hellion, my increase in sustain probably comes from the Tone pros parts and the fact that I have the Tail Piece screwed down to the body.


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    Sounds like what I 'll do to my daughter B.C Rich Bronze Mockingbird
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    The tail piece of a Les Paul being screwed down to the body to achieve more sustain is a myth. This method has not been proven to really increase sustain. I've owned and played Les Pauls for 24 years now and I didn't find this technique to ever increased the sustain on any of my LP's. Some people claim they achieved great sustain by doing this.
    I believe the wrap over might increase the sustain as it reduces the tension from the strings as the string angle from bridge to the tail piece becomes shallower. Less tension from the strings allows them to vibrate more therefore...you guest it right, more sustain.
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