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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    Seriously, third time?

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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    The EL34 and EL84 tonal differences are irrelevant. They aren't interchangeable.
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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    The EL34 and EL84 tonal differences are irrelevant. They aren't interchangeable.
    Unless you use a Yellow Jacket.

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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    The EL34 and EL84 tonal differences are irrelevant. They aren't interchangeable.
    Wait!.
    In some amps, this isn't true.
    VHT has several amps that allow you to throw the most common power tubes (EL84, 6V6GT, 6L6, EL34, KT66, ...).
    So... differences are relevant... sometimes.

    To me, they are somewhat similar, or at least closer one to the other than any of those compared to the "american way" (6V6GT, 6L6).
    Compared to those, they have less boomy or big low end, more prominent mids or mid-highs and a direct cut-the-mix sound. They naturally put your guitar on the mix.
    Differences are bigger, the hotter you run both tubes.
    The EL34 has some bite (attack) more explosive than the EL84 and its harmonics are more complex and 3D-like.
    I love the crunchy-warm EL84 in Class A design and, EL34 delivering big stadium rock in Class A/B design.

    Said this. Everything makes no sense by itself.
    Amp design is key. Tubes you choose for pre-amp, power amp and rectifier (if a tube one) make a big difference.
    Tube brand/model behave very differently.
    Speakers and cabs make a huge difference...

    Usually each amp designed for a certain tube, will sound awesome if you find the right brand/model.
    At the end, it's all about which power do you really need and, how you can crank the tubes (were they deliver their own spice).
    Running those tubes cold, will sound very close (bored, lifeless) so, go for the power you can hold.
    Last edited by hermetico; 02-18-2014 at 05:43 AM.

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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    Wattage plays a big role on how and when the tubes will break up.
    A good example is Friedman Runt series.
    The runt 20 is equipped with EL84s but its bigger brother, the runt 50 has EL34s
    Listen to both and see if you can spot the difference.

    Tho some characteristic of a tube influence the sound for sure, an amp sound is always a sum of all of its parts.

    Hope this helps...
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    Default Re: EL84 v.s. El34 - TONAL differences

    to my ears...EL84s are too bright....the EL34 is a sweater sounding tube with beautiful overdriven sounds...

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