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    Default Re: it's not about loud...

    There is a bottom end on a large watt amp that no 15 -30 watter can even approach. Having the pleasure of owning many amps between 12 and 100 watts, nothing can touch the big boys for the huge vibe they present. It goes beyond volume, it is the feel of the amp that is still there when I attenuate. I love all my amps dearly, but the 100s are the biggest, fullest sound that I can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar3000 View Post
    There is a bottom end on a large watt amp that no 15 -30 watter can even approach. Having the pleasure of owning many amps between 12 and 100 watts, nothing can touch the big boys for the huge vibe they present. It goes beyond volume, it is the feel of the amp that is still there when I attenuate. I love all my amps dearly, but the 100s are the biggest, fullest sound that I can get.
    This is true - they do in fact have more bottom end and a bigger sound than lesser wattage amps, but of course it comes at a price. Amps like to be pushed to give up the goods and I'm pretty sure most audiences don't want to be around a guitar player who's cranking open an 100w tube amp.

    Then again, thanks to power scaling and master volumes, todays amps are a lot more versatile and useful than they ever used to be.



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    I bought into the sub-30w myth a few years ago.

    I've since owned four sub 30w amps (15w, 25w, and two 30w) and all four of them sounded like small amps straining their guts and failing miserably to sound like a big amp.

    And the issue isn't volume as even the 15w is both **** loud and could be heard easily with a drummer. The issue is headroom as hard driven low watt amps by there nature wind up being compressed and midrange focused with very little bottom end content. This is great if you're a lead guitarist, but as a rhythm player I want a full signal. I want every chord I strike to sound solid and dynamic rather than mushy and compressed.

    So, in short as a rhythm player I consider 50w the minimum I'd work with live and 100w the preference. In reality 100w is only slightly louder than 30w, but there is all the difference in the world when it comes to headroom.

    But I have one caveat... if I were a lead player I'd buy a 30w, cathode biased, tube rectified EL84 amp. While I prefer the dynamics of a high headroom amp for rhythm playing there is something magical about the single note feel of a good 30w EL84 amp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar3000 View Post
    There is a bottom end on a large watt amp that no 15 -30 watter can even approach. Having the pleasure of owning many amps between 12 and 100 watts, nothing can touch the big boys for the huge vibe they present. It goes beyond volume, it is the feel of the amp that is still there when I attenuate. I love all my amps dearly, but the 100s are the biggest, fullest sound that I can get.
    the bottom end is what i miss the most when i'm not using my stack... but at the same time when i use the smaller combos the sound man has full controll of adding bass if needed to my sound

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoFan View Post
    the bottom end is what i miss the most when i'm not using my stack... but at the same time when i use the smaller combos the sound man has full controll of adding bass if needed to my sound
    I use an attenuator, so even with that in play, the bottom end and overall response still feels like a 100 watter. I use all my amps for gigs, as I like tones in general, the attenuator will not remove the personality of an amp, be it 20 or 100 I am running through it.

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    Default Re: it's not about loud...

    Surely its about loud. Anything below 150watt is for pussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl H View Post
    Surely its about loud. Anything below 150watt is for pussies.
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    You own a Marshall Mode Four, don't you?
    LOL That POS? Nope a JCM800 2203 modded with KT88s, 150w+, around 170-180w clean.

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    Default Re: it's not about loud...

    I'm finding that 30 watts is fine for me, these days, anyway. A number of situations only need about 15, or so.

    Wasn't always that way...

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    Default Re: it's not about loud...

    My Deluxe Reverb on "4" is the perfect sound for me and my guitar.

    It's LOUD.

    If I played a clean guitar I would go for an amp with 100 watts.

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    I plan to eventually own a 50W or 100W head, not because of the wattage, but because some of my favourite heads are in that area, as well as the appeal of infinite clean headroom. However my 40W Traynor does the job for all the gigs I've played with it so far, without going past 5. On the other hand, I don't like turning the clean channel past 5 because then it starts to break up. My drive channel I sometimes turn up to 7, cause the extra push on the tubes really opens up the distortion and makes it sound huge, mean and punk.

    But there's something more important than wattage for me on amps: separate channel volumes! I love having an amp without a master volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl H View Post
    LOL That POS? Nope a JCM800 2203 modded with KT88s, 150w+, around 170-180w clean.
    that's insane dude LOL. do you use distortion/overdrive pedals and preamp distortion mostly ?

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