Mod Squad: Muddy sounding neck pickup?

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Muddy sounding neck pickup? Try Seymour’s quick tech fix

By Seymour Duncan Tech Guru Scott Miller

People often call and ask how to fix a muddy sounding neck pickup. Some years ago, Seymour taught me a cool trick to fix this exact problem. If you connect a .047 capacitor in series (directly in-line) with the hot output wire from your neck pickup, it will filter out the excess low-end, and clean up the muddy tone.  Most of the time, this solution is perfect. And, it is an easy mod that most people can do themselves.

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Written on November 15, 2010, by patricia

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Comments (32)

  • patricia 8 years ago

    This is an interesting fix. I’m curious as to whether or not you would still use a capacitor on the tone pot and how that value would effect things with this one on the hot output.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      This mod will affect the neck pickup only, and works completely independently of the the tone control and its capacitor. In this case the two capacitors are doing very different things and their values should not have any effect upon one another. Your tone control will continue to work like normal. – Scott

    • patricia 8 years ago

      the cap inline (series) will reduce low end. a cap to ground (parallel, like a regular tone cap) will reduce highs. if you have them too close to the same value, all you end up doing is lowering the volume, as both crossover points intersect.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    do u need to do both? seems like he is saying one or the other. Either at the switch or the volume. Please clarify. i wanting to try this.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      its either. as long as its on the “hot” leg of the pickup, and not a ground. inline, with the output, wherever it may go in your particular guitar

      • patricia 8 years ago

        Is this also possible for push/pull setup and can i use a orange drop capacitor?

  • patricia 8 years ago

    I read the other day that caps that run to ground don’t do as much as to a lug on the pot. I’m getting ready to use a Sprague Filmite E capacitor, as far as I can tell it says.1-200 DC and the other number is127P10492S2, Made in USA. I have seen where a cap runs from one point to another without going to ground. I can’t seem to find any video or other source that tells the correct way to install this type of cap. can you please help. Michael Allison

    • patricia 8 years ago

      Even when run between lugs, it still ends up running to ground through the pot. It’s easiest just to run one lead directly to ground, but either way works exactly the same. On some setups, especially with tubular caps like this, the cap will fit better between the pots.

  • patricia 8 years ago

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  • patricia 8 years ago

    Is it possible to do this with the Ibanez wiring for 2 humbuckers with a 5-way switch, in this kind of scenario?
    http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab27/ehdwuld/HH5way.png

    • patricia 8 years ago

      Been there… SD wont help you much, looks like they are limited to Gibson and Fender type of guitars. look for the diagram in the Dimarzio page, I had to use a super 5 way switch on an old Rg7420, but in my new RG927QM putting in a pair of SD distortion was easy I just had to wire them the same way as the old pickups. good luck.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      yes it is and has been done already check out the rg331m exact wiring as above.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    is it okay to use different cap value?

    • patricia 8 years ago

      I use a .033uf cap for the neck position Phat Cat in my all-mahogany LP Studio, with a .01uf for the tone control. It works perfectly! And when I roll off the tone, I get a wah-like sound. The lower the cap value, the more lows you cut, and the brighter your sound will be. Just make sure that the cap you use to cut bass has a greater value than your tone cap.

      • patricia 8 years ago

        i use a singlecoil size-humbucker in the neck, and a 0.047 for the tone pot (i like it more than a 0.022 or 0.033). is it fine to use a a 0.047 for de-mud?

    • patricia 8 years ago

      Yes. Try a range of different capacitors, use alligator-clips to make temporary connections and decide for yourself what sounds best. Like Seymour says, “Own your tone”.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      the cap value acts as a crossover point. a specific frequency. a .047 in a regular tone control rolls the highs off to that point. (very muted tone). a .047 in line (series, as in the above diagram) will roll off LOWS to that frequency.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    Will this work for a bridge pickup? Will it tighten up a JB in the bridge?

  • patricia 8 years ago

    How about for a tone knob?? Where would those wires go??

  • patricia 8 years ago

    Scott, thanks.

    I’m wondering why it wouldn’t work for the bridge though. I have my pickups wired independently to master volumes J bass style.

    The only difference is the cap would be between the bridge hot wire and lug of the bridge master volume.

    Thanks.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    Work JUST fine in my SG G400 neck Pup!!!!
    THX a lot!!!!
    :))

  • patricia 8 years ago

    Will this make a difference to the SD Little 59 I have in the bridge of my strat its always been really muddy with both coils active

  • patricia 8 years ago

    here is my mod i took a 6way dual rotery switch wired the inputs /outputs to where the cap goes on both pots ( 6 each pot ) so i can switch cap values on the fly it runs 47neck 33bridge ,, or 33n 33b… or 33n 22b,, or 22n 22b.. or 22n 17b or 47n 17b and a 3way switch for seres paralel cut on what is the red white wires on this diagram for both pots …..looking for a tone its in there somewhere oh and of course a 3 way neck nb bridge switch and a dual tone vol pot for each pup hope this is of intrest to someone PS THE pups are a emg hz 4 bridge and ahz3 neck ,,sory seymour but the oem pups were shot and i used what i had layin arround ….. hope this inspiers people to have a go it was my first rewire and i thought if im gona do it i might as well go fore broke and if i can do it anyone can just do the research for your pups wires and switches and draw a rough wireing diagram to get thing sorted out ……next step a gk3 midi pup 🙂

  • patricia 8 years ago

    Hah! I discovered this years ago, experimenting on an old 1970’s Shaftesbury Les Paul copy. After trying various capacitor values, I too found that 0.047mfd is the optimum value.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    I yesterday tried this mod, and very much like it! However, hard-wiring it causes a phase shift which affects my tone control and middle setting of pickup selector. Is there any way how to calculate cutoff frequency and phase shift? The normal formulas ask for a resistor to ground, which is not present in this mod. Or is that the resistance of the pickup? I would like to make this mod variable with a pot, and not hard wired… Anybody knows how to do this? Thanks!

    • patricia 8 years ago

      The resistance is combination of the volume know and the source impedance of amp/guitar pedal. Most Vol’s are 250K-1Meg, input Z for most guitar FX and amps are also around 1Meg. Depending on your guitar take it as between <500K and 250K.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    This is a great trick but, anyone heard of a TBX controll? It it completely passive. You can boost the treble or boost the bass with your tone knob. It kinda blows this trick away and is not much harder to install. This way you can control how bright you make the pickup. And TBX is pretty inexpensive.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      I’ve got one in my Stratocaster, and I’m about to install one in my Telecaster. I expect it will make my Tele’s neck pickup more useful (especially at lower volumes). I find that, on the Strat, it’s useful in the #2 and #3 pickup selector positions. Makes them sting.

      • patricia 8 years ago

        Right on man. You are in the know. These things are like secret tone weapons. I shocks me more people don’t know about them.

    • patricia 8 years ago

      I use the EMG RPC on one of my Les Pauls’ neck pickups. Also an active tone control that boosts treble and cuts bass. Works GREAT for cleaning up a muddy neck PUP.

  • patricia 8 years ago

    So I just tried this mod on a couple guitars that have muddy neck p’ups and it worked perfectly on one, but not quite enough on the other… so I want to ask a “check my logic” question: Will adding an additional capacitor in series help more? I’m thinking that a higher value (i.e.: another cap in series) will clear it up more, but it occurs to me that I might be thinking in reverse and need a lower value cap.

    Thanks!

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